30 years on...

Devil's advocate: so does that mean that the Simon Yorke isn't that good in comparison to other uber decks too then?

 

Read the sodding review. What do you think?

 

If I were a rich man (dubadubadubadubadubadubadubadum), I'd buy the Yorke for looks alone, but then

 

Go straight for the Rockport.

 

Hi,

And others rekon:

"Stereophile were well known in the USA to refuse to do product reviews unless the manufacturer/distributor agreed to sign up for extensive advertising contracts. Not sure what the situation is now but this really fires up the small businesses because they need the reviews to create product exposure but at the outset can not afford large advertising bills."


At any extent, you keep banging on about how great the LP-12 is, BUT:

1) You don't use one.
2) You have not compared it to any significant same pricerange competition.

That makes the whole argument a little hollow.

I did have a nicely set up LP-12 at home for trial, also had a Rega, Systemdek and Roksan, I ended up buying a Kenwood KD-500 (Corrian Plinth Direct Drive) with a Sumiko The Arm instead, for a fraction of the money, simply because it was in any meanigful aspect superior to any of the others tested at the time.

The LP-12/Ittock was so obviously off any reasonable neutrality that it was hardly even funny (still, it was a notable step up from an all plastic japanese DD I had for the interim), the Rega - the less said the better, Systemdek okay, Roksan pretty good but not enough than the Kenwood to justify the extra money.

Since then I have also owned an Oracle, a Garrard 401, had a Voyd over for quite a bit of time and now own a heavy mass Turntable from Germany, which has stayed longest so far. I also had some reasonable repeat exposure to Verdier, Clearaudio, Well Tempered, VPI and Rockport in known systems.

Anyway, so far my own experience with turntables. It might put things into perspective.

Ciao T

 

It's the thought of the mobile crane I'd need to move it around...

 

3D whizz-bang!!

All it shows is that you failed to set up the LP12 properly, and that you believe Stereophile to be corrupt.

 

Hi,

As I did not set it up blame must lie with the dealer. Or the actual product.

I believe neither their reviews nor others stories.

I merely quoted an industry insider mentioning that stereophile editorial/advertorial policies seemed to disadvantage smaller manufacturers, such as Yorke, who cannot afford expensive, on-going advertising.

It is always worthwhile to consider reviews with a grain of salt, at best they are pointers to what might be worthwhile to audition. I simply did what you recommended and which I also recommend (namely to audition a range of turntables including Linn) and I found the result to be not in favour of Linn in that instance.

And quite frankly your "It must not have been set up right" has been the standard cop out for the last 30 Years, if a dealer wishing to make sale cannot set up the deck properly, who can?

L8er T

 

I have been.

Do you still contend that 'vibration is a form of energy'? Perhaps you meant 'pyschic vibration'?

Up thread you wrote,

I've quoted the entire para for you. I don't think it's open to much interpretation about being even vaguely connected to the real world, especially when applied in the context of turntables.

I wonder why arm tubes aren't arm rods?

Paul

 

:sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

 

Bub, for someone who thought reviews were hocum and repeatedly said so, you seem to be clinging very tenaciously to this one.

 

Hi,

Elementary physics. Look under "effective mass" and "cartridge compliance".

But have you ever wondered why some manufacturers fill the armtubes with Balsawood or extremley low density foam?

L8er T

 

Frankly, my dear.... If I'm forced to accept either your version of reality about the LP12, or Stereophile's, I'll choose Stereophile's.

This is because you have displayed rather, er "cranky" views on everything I've ever heard. You are, of course, entitled to hold & express whatever views you like, just don't expect me to believe any of it!

The LP12 is simple to set-up, but you do need a spirit level which will fit over the spindle, for obvious reasons.

 

Reviews, and reviewers are variable. Some of it is baloney, some isn't. I think I'm right in saying that Stereophile is reasonably well-regarded.

 

Or what you expect from a music system is somewhat out of line with what an LP12 or a Rega provides?

To use your terminology the blame lies with you, but given it's a free world you're allowed to be completely wrong and no blame attaches.

Paul

 

Hi,

Let us be precise.

My views are "cranky" to you because they do not subscribe to the flat earth Linn/Naim/ATC triangle of (snide remark self censored).

Now I happen to be familiar with these products quite well and also with many others. My views are formed by contrating these various products and the resulting sound reproduction to both real music and to what I know is possible from recordings.

If having a broader horizon makes ones views "cranky", so be it.

L8er T

 

Hi,

That is entierly possible.

What I expect is to hear the recording. Not an edited version. What this says for any number of products is left to the genteele reader.

L8er T

 

Well I obviously know some of the answer, and there's more to it than that. In fact assume equivalent inertia. Why use hollow arms?

Paul

 

Stereophile is beyond reproach. If I had piles of bling MF tri-vista nonsense I could find lots of glowing reviews to parade.

 

Don't tell me you believe in "the flat earth" as well? There is no such thing. A brief think about it might be in order.

Linn & Naim acquired the "FE" reputation purely because their speakers stand against walls, and thus don't give a very good "depth of soundstage". No other reason. FWIW, I think Linn & Naim's speakers are pretty poor, and wouldn't give any of them houseroom.

ATC have never been associated with "the flat earth", other than via Mana's involvement in their US distribution.