acoustic zen or chord indigo?

I've offered to host a blind test bake off but sadly Zanash doesn't seem to want to provide a cable for us all to test. As you are only up the road, you would be more than welcome to come down for a social if we can get it organised.[/QUOTE]

You could actually try talking to me ... just to be totally clear i've recieved no such offer via pm or email ....

Quite why would I want to get involved with you, following your comments unless your going to appologise ?

 

well, I'm not suggesting that you don't speak the truth, but maybe we could all try being a bit more polite towards each other...

 

Can we all remember we don't mind the discussion, but we do object to things becoming personal.
Thanks

 

People could certainly be more polite towards me and skip the pathetic 's and posts the mods have to delete.

I don't see a single post from me that is in any way personal - it's just that some people take the laying out of facts that way. I'm either attacking the belief system, or in some cases, their business models.

I'm sure if I am rude or impolite, the mods will pull me up on it - and rightly so.

 

at the risk of getting into trouble for mentioning another forum can I say that zanash is extremely highly rated and has made a lot of people very happy with his extremely good value interconnects. they have tried his cables at bakeoffs and you can do a search on
http://forum.cyrusunofficial.co.uk/
to see some of the comments.

 

He has a few fans here as well.

 

I guess selling to different forum users is good business - certainly cheaper than setting up something with traditional routes to market. No law against it just I'm really not keen on that form of networking as I suspect I have made clear to most.

I'm not a fan obviously. I find the claims amusing on occasion, downright offensive on others. Apart from that, obviously I find that I am at odds with just about everything he says. But then again I don't subscribe to holistic medicine or any other alternative therapies.

Still if he sends his cables to Ian or Rob or any of the other sensible guys who asked to try them, we'll be able to have a controlled bake off here and report our findings without any possibility of mistakes.

 

I am sorry, but the constant bracketing of cable claims with 'holistic medicine' and other 'belief systems', coupled with the insult implied by saying that you and other 'science' adherents are "sensible" and "clever" - i.e. people holding other viewpoints are not "clever" or "sensible" is getting boring - and offensive.

The implication is that if I ask to try one of Zanash' cables, being a person who does happen to think that cables do make a difference, then I am not a "sensible" person, nor am I "clever". That is being rude. You do not know me, nor anything of my background, so how can you make such a judgement? Purely on the basis that I disagree with you in one instance?

 

I assume that in this case sensible should read ''agree with me''
and mistakes are always possible.

I am not a believer in anything-other than sometimes hard work pays off.

 

Apologies if you find it offensive. How would you differentiate between holistic medicine and cable claims? From the tone of your post I take it that you feel adherrents to holistic principles are "not clever"?

 

I accept your apology, Stereo Mic.
To answer your question, I would point out that the logical conclusions of your post indicate that it is you who would exclude adherents to holistic principles from being "clever", not I.

 

Am I the only person who thinks this forum is FUBAR?

 

Is that F**Ked up Beyond Any Repair or Fantastic Upstanding Band of Audio Researchers?

 

YES!

 

It's also the most dangerous commercially too don't forget. Just one buyer complaining openly on a public forum and the vendor has nowhere to hide.

I don't see what if anything alternative therapies has to do with the matter in hand. They are difficult to repeat to command are they not and have you ever seen a cable maker run away from that? They won't participate in a circus before you offer a retort.

The other things your philosophies DON'T provide is a money back safety net whereas most cable buyers do. Do you offer a money back guarantee if your advice falls to someone flat on it's face?

The other thing your view doesn't provide is FUN. At least a buyer of cables gets a bit of fun and excitement from his purchase and a safety net beneath him/her too.

 

You can absolutely have DOUBLE your money back if any advice I give is wrong. I'm sure SM will join in this extra value deal.

Paul

 

Starting to notice a trend hear....

Why such a shortage of replies and curtious responce?

For instance some seem unwilling to say what equipment they use, or have used when trying cables out etc.

Others ask an opinion and get no reply?

Some membership or secret handshake required, or does having the correct/incorrect attitude preclude?

 

Oh and I still wonder over freebie leads and something at £30?

No difference?

 

No, it is well past its sell by date, infact it is probably dangerous for consumption.

 

I don't like or use those flimsy freebie cables, precisely because they are flimsy. The wire is thin and the connections inside the moulded plugs are prone to breaking - I have a couple of such cables stashed away which suffer this fault.

I also like good build quality, so yes I'd gladly pay £20-30 for an interconnect but I'm under no illusion that they offer better sound than the free cables.

If you want robust cables as good sonically as anything on the market just buy the bottom end Qunex stuff from QED, Opal from Chord or the cables sold by Flashback. These all cost £15-£30.

As I've said before, I roll my own usually but am equally happy using the stuff mentioned above.

On the question of bake offs, I'll gladly host such an event with two 'believers' doing the listening. It will be a blind test, correctedly assessed with marks recorded on a preference card and I'll even give up a whole day to do it. Those participating can bring their own cables and music and I'll use a £20 Flashback as a reference.

We'll publish the results here complete with names.
So, your chance to be vindicated or be shown up as a complete prat......