Astonishing CD tweak? Zanash do try this!

No negativity. I believe ... when you rediscover the joy of this that we like are trully magical and it doesn't need artificial lubricant.

 

I would have thought "ugly"is by defintiion negative....

why can't you just live and let live??

there IS no "artificial lubricant" BTW....its just obeying the laws of physics to improve the sonics of my kit.....each time you make a change you (ideally ) here a lttle more....maybe lyrics or instrument becomes better defined or perhpts pops up anew completely......thats MY joy!

 

This thread is awesome. I recently put some anti-wrinkle cream on my vinyl but felt it lost its groove.

 

Hand cream on the wrong side of a CD is obedience to the laws of physics? Clearly physics has become much more interesting since my university daze

 

buit surely it would have only lost the 'appearance' of the groove..?

 

I think you would have to be fairly obsessive yes (and I speak as one who is prone to these obsessions, I don't mean it in a derogatory way).

People buy diesels because they are more economical yes, they also buy their cars because they buy into all the advertising that suggests it'll make you sexier and more successful and because its well built and reliable or looks cool or ... what very few people do is buy a car because the fuel tank was formed from a specially annealled wonder alloy. There may be a few people who would but a tiny minority. To pretty much base you marketing around it my be a little short sighted. You wouldn't only advertise your wares in What Fuel Tank on the basis that that's what REAL car owners read.

Most people will buy better stereos because they sound better, look better, feel better or do more stuff. Though its true some people care about what brand of caps are used, what the wires are made of etc ... or whatever. No problem with being concerned about it, but it isn't what is going to capture the enthusiasm of the generation which is being lost.

 

Admit it guys, you are on an agenda against hifi tweakers...

People buy cars, tennis, golf equipment, cameras, PCs, almost everything, the same way, why should hifi tweakers be treated different...

 

Well narrow minded is more what I'd have said. Instead of thinking in terms of a potential market of music fans they tend to think in terms of HiFi buffs, as such its self limiting. (edit, but out of touch sure)

On a related topic. Have you seen the Guardian today? the whole of page three devoted to a long article:

Back in the groove: young music fans ditch downloads and spark vinyl revival

The format was supposed to have been badly wounded by the introduction of CDs and killed off completely by the ipod-generation that bought music online.

But in a rare case of cheerful news for the record labels, the latest phenomenon in a notoriously fickle industry is one nobody dared predict: a vinyl revival. Latest figures show a big jump in vinyl sales in the first half of this year, confirming the anecdotal evidence from specialist shops throughout the UK.

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Actually I think the headline is a bit misleading. They aren't ditching downloads at all in my view ... but CD singles. One way of looking at it is that downloads and 7 inch singles are actually complementary products not competitive.

 

No, I’d not seen that. Good article though. I was basing my viewpoint on what I see when out and about. I’ve certainly been buying more 7”s recently than at any time before. They are really cool and cheap enough to just take semi-random punts on. The 7” is a superb starter format, they are cheap to make and inherently collectable - owning the first 200 Ltd Ed single by a band who later gains stature demonstrates that the punter was in the right place at the right time better than any other format. Whenever I go to Manchester I walk via Piccadilly Records and grab a handful of anything that looks interesting!

I think the main thing is that all formats are complimentary. It's all music. The major labels are whinging because they are largely out of the loop as so much music is now self financed, recorded, produced, advertised and distributed. Who needs HMV and Virgin leeching half the profits when you can do it all yourself? Likewise the hi-fi industry is out of the loop as it is just too complacent and slow moving – it hasn’t even got as far as embracing the dance scene of the 90s let alone everything that has come since. Too many silly old men playing with wires, too few paying attention to the music scene.

Tony.

 

Oh for god's sake Ian, there's only so many "new' recordings by Floyd or the Straits. How long is that ploy going to last?

 

Yup. They are very cool, very attractive (a lot of them way better packaged than even your old style picture sleeve) and very affordable. That NME White Stripes giveaway was a piece of genius. 120,000 sold out in two days most places and basically says "look kids, a pink vinyl single, in a nice gatefold sleeve, how cool is that?"

 

"Katie Allen, media business correspondent"

Ms Katie Allen clearly hasn't the faintest idea what she's talking about.

I've never read such unadulterated drivel in all my life.


I love vinyl, never left it, and given half a chance would ditch digital entirely, but the idea that vinyl will ever again be anything more than a small scale niche product catering to middle age audiophiles and briefly rebellious teenagers, who will try anything just to be contrary, is laughable.


LS

 

Not at all, Antonio, we're just trying to help you. Now, if you'll just slip your arms into the sleeves of this nice, elegant, white jacket...

 

You like wearing it...

 

I ahven't done the hand cream thing, Tony.

BUT....

...who knows?

Maybe the litle bit of extra mass do do soem thing.

The hand cream thing isn't going any where near MY lazor etc , rest assured......

 

Hmm. Ah well, maybe you are right if a Hip cat like yourself says so, it must be true.

By the way vinyl is a niche product sure, but certainly so far as the hardware is concerned middle aged auiophiles are only part of the market I'd say maybe less than half - its hard to say, but in conversation with customers and guessing from the kinds of questions asked, the audiophiles are probably a minority. There are a lot more vinyl buffs than hifi buffs, its just that they don't take the hifi stuff all that seriously.

Oh and a PS. HiFi shows may well be full of middle aged men and nothing else, but go to a record fair lately or somewhere like the top floor of Selectadisc. There are midle aged men there too, but lots of youngsters as well. Far more than at any HiFi show.

 

or fascinated...?

obseessive suggestes you can't think of anything else ...?

you amy well be right...

....people also buy for safety reasons too these days (IMO)....so they will also know about air bags..perhpts impact protection?

no, maybe not.

 

No, no, used that one on Another Forum Member (Who Shall Naturally Remain Nameless) - this one's just for you

 

Fascinated sure and obsessive as well (like I said I didn't mean it in a derogatory way).

Look we hang about on HiFi fora. If you hang about on HiFi Fora you are by definition an obsessive. Its not a bad thing, but its not normal. You can be obsessive about all kinds of things, so it doesn't really imply that no.

 

Edited in the interests of peace and harmony