Bi-Wiring

Discussion in 'Hi-Fi and General Audio' started by Gerben, Nov 27, 2003.

  1. Gerben

    Tom.

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    No. It won't. It can't possibly.
     
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    dat19 blind test terrorist

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    Did you mean bi-amping ? ie in a way to electrically split the crossover into a low and high pass sections so that two amps can be used?
     
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    Or to facilitate passive biamping.
     
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    lowrider Live music is surround

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    Agreed...

    Read this:
     
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    Looks like tosh to me.

    Paul
     
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    Why?
     
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    It's bogus all the way through. Some of it may be translation.

    Paul
     
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    lowrider Live music is surround

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    Why... :confused:
     
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    I think this is another way of saying that cables have a low resistance.

    And it goes downhill from there. If there is any good stuff in this article then it is obscured. Can you work out how the equivalent circuit simulation results are obtained? It looks to me like biwire is tested against no wire.

    Paul
     
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    That sounds like bollox of the highest order. Whether you bi-wire or single-wire, each filter sees the same signal at its source. I'm prepared to accept that a bi-wiring cable with certain parameters might adversely affect one element or the other, but I think you'd have to be talking about a distance of a few hundred meters or so!

    Its like having two water pipes, with a river at their source. The river is full of grey water. At the end of the pipes, you have 1 with a filter that cleans the water, and the other pipe has a filter that adds dirt to the water.

    According to most people's beliefs regarding bi-wiring, the first pipe will now contain clean water through its entire length, and the second pipe will contain dirtier water, even though they are both fed from the same river!

    Utter nonsense IMO. And people who spend so much money on exotic cables with bogus claims are either fools, or rich.
     
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    So are we saying bi wiring makes no difference at all???
     
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    lowrider Live music is surround

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    Now, imagine you have a large tap at the end of one pipe and a small tap at the end of the other, will the water travel at the same speed in both pipes, will both pipes carry the same volume of water... :rds2:
     
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    Or just use a pipe with double the width.
     
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    To make the water analogy work then you have to consider 'pressure' as voltage and rate of flow as current. And then you have a pump at the river keeping the pressure constant regardless of flow (within limits....).

    In a biwired loudspeaker the voltages at the speaker terminals will be different because the cable has resistance and the currents in the circuits are different.

    I think the big advantage of 'biwireable' speakers is that it ensures the crossovers have proper earthing design, however they are connected.

    Paul (Active is the obvious answer!)
     
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    Wear a blindfold and try getting 10/10 when it comes to telling the difference.
     
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    cant be arsed cos i like the sound of my system the way it is and my ears probably couldnt tell the diff anyway!!!.

    my question still stands for those with bat like hearing, or great scientific knowledge.....

    Does bi wiring make a difference???

    yes or no?
     
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    Tom.

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    I say no.
     
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    Biwiring does make a difference, but you'd get a bigger improvement by using a single run of decent cable and small pieces of the same in place of those 'orrible gold-plated jumper bars.

    It's the removal of the jumper bars that gives you most of the benefit.

    The same speaker may well sound better if it only had one pair of teminals at the rear as it wouldn't need those bars.
     
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    Yes.

    Now whether you like that difference is another thing entirely. My setup sounds considerably better biwired, but YMMV
     
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    dat19 blind test terrorist

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    No 5m or so is enough. Do the math.

    |z| = wL

    Now consider naim speaker cable which is 1.5microH/m.
     
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