BNP/Bus photo

for those who haven't see it look here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4674675.stm

Nick Griffin was humiliated on R4 this morning. It was quite entertaining.

The BNP are scum and should be stopped.

anyone else with an opinion?

 

My opinion is that I agree with you.

Michael.

 

This sort of sick electioneering is a sign of desperation. I think more and more people are seeing through them.

 

I do hope you are right.

I have seen and heard some, quite frankly, disgusting things said since last Thursday.

 

I work in oldham, with some recent "history" regarding race... and yet most of the thinking people here are quite opposed to the BNP.

 

Same here

Some people really are that stupid unfortunately.

 

I despise the BNP, this seems to have backfired in a big way on them though - haven't read anyone defend it, even on forums where statements of support for the BNP are quite the norm. Such a sick attempt to gain political capital from the deaths of innocent people is deplorable.

 

It is pretty obvious the attacks were some form of islamic extremist action, but you can't tar all of muslims with the same brush most are as appauled by this (and 911) as anyone. The BNP's blanket approach is hate driven by a bunch of thugs rather than justace which is what most people would like to see in the world - but anyone expecting justace is a bit naive.

I do hope this thread stays civil and constructive.

 

I have seen someone say that the cure would be to kick out the Muslims and Irish, obvious waffle from an uneduacted idiot, and i find it offensive with my familly roots in Ireland

 

The BNP have as much right to be a party as anybody. However I am sure some of their policies must be breaking anti discrimation laws.

The use of that picture is sickening. The policy on the forum which I moderate is to allow discussion of the BNP but to ban people for making any racist remarks or inflamtery commments

We have a few sick comments with regards to the London bombings.

I personaly despise the BNP and everybody I know does. Even people that are not pro imigration seem to despise the BNP.

As for Nick Griffin he is a horrible snarmy git. I don't know why the media give the BNP any attention at all.

 

I loathe the BNP with a passion. Using that image, as said earlier, is a sign of desperation and also shows their true colours.

Unfortunately, freedom of speech allows cow-live lunts like this to attempt to spread their disease far and wide. Personally I can't see why nazism is exempt from freedom of speech laws - look at the mess it caused in the 30s and 40s...

 

the bnp may well be scum, however they are a legit political party and have as many rights as anyone else.

What was said here is what many are saying and its true, the fact that those in authority can't see it shows how blind and stupid this country is, the terrorists must be laughing, we give them homes and cash, and stop people saying things against them even calling them terrorists, then they murder 50 plus people, and you still can't say anything, or at least, you can.

Clearly, the BNP are infinitely better than the despicable despots that preach and carry out this muderous act, but I am no supporter of the bnp.Righteous anger ought rather to be directed to the causes and eradicate that, rather than insignificant side issues which is still political point scoring.

"Obviously Islamic terrorists carried out the attacks, but it is the Labour Party's fault they did it.

"By voting Labour, people gave us a Government which took us into an illegal war in Iraq that turned us all into targets.

"It is the Labour Party that has lost control of our borders, so there is a huge sea of potential terrorists out there and the police can't see who is doing it.

"The Labour Party for years has allowed Islamic extremists to preach in mosques in Britain and use them to recruit people to their cause. It is the Labour Party to blame."

just cos they are scum doens't mean they don't say something untrue, nary a word said truer, however an appalling use of imagery. Bad as it is tho, the other parties are still point scoring by using the current clime to slur a political party, hypocrites.

 

The thing I find most pathetic about the notion of repatriation is that once you go beyond the obvious soundbites, it becomes incredibly difficult for them (BNP) to state who should be allowed to stay.

Is it determined by colour - if so how dark or light? Is it determined by heritage, if so how many generations do you go back and which heritages are acceptable?

At the end of the day they (the BNP) blame white poverty and lack of opportunity on others instead of just getting on with trying to succeed in life. Of all the sources of woe they might do well to start with the British history of feudalism introduced by William the conquorer which largely set in place the social structures which formed the British class system we see today and which helps to keep an underclass, not by collusion, but largely due to patterns of land and property ownership.

I admit ghettoisation of some parts of the UK are counterproductive and lets not pretend that there isnt equal racism in certain parts of Britain's ethnic communities, but the BNP realy dont have an ideology, or if they do it's too muddled to make any real sense.

 

All worthwhile points but let's not forget the core beliefs they hold dearly, these days they do a good job of polishing themselves up for modern politics - ie. appearance led, but this hides their true beliefs and intentions.

 

Personally I think it's a ridiculous idea to blame Labour for the bombings...
If the Tories had got into power we would still have gone into Iraq, and we would still have had free speech (hopefully)..
And the funny thing is that it appears not to have been "Illegal Immigrants" who carried out the bombings, but British born folk from Leeds and Luton, so going on about the seething mass of folks waiting at our borders all clutching AK47s and packs of Semtex and hoping to kill the infidel for the good of Allah is just reactionary flapdoodle.

I'm hoping that these atrocities (and no doubt the ones that will come soon somewhere in the world) are just a symptom of the death throes of Islamic Fundamentalism, and I also hope any other form of fundamentalism disappears with it..
Nowt worse than someone who absolutely believes they're right!

 

I think this country strikes a good balance between rights and restrictions compared to most, though recent events have placed pressure on this balance to shift more towards protecting the public at the expense of certain freedoms.

The side effect of Britain's tollerant society is that people can say things which you might not like and they have sufficient freedom to access the tube system in London with a backpack.

Unfortunately the fact the backpack contains a bomb and that that individual has been convinced he is achieving something by killing himself and those around him are two things the authorities will find difficult to stop.

I agree with Livingstone that extremist Jihadism is not an ideology. In fact it is a form of warfare and like every previous *big* war it has a form of engagement different to all the previous ones. This war will continue for a long time and will require new ways of thinking to deal with it.

I would add that the atrocities committed in Chechnya, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Srebrenica and countless other places utterly dwarf these kind of events (ie. the London bombings). Obviously I'm not saying the UK was involved in Chechnyan or Bosnian atrocities, but the UK is percieved as a sponsor of anti Muslim policies by many Muslims. It's important to try and see things from both sides of the fence.

...For what it's worth I wouldnt be at all surprised if MOSAD were in some way involved in the recent bombings.

 

Quite. All the absurd things they blame Labour for would have been just the same under the Tories and, as you point out, the bombers appear to have been British citizens, born and bred in the UK.

The blaming of Labour is a futile attempt to make this little anti-Asian hate campaign appear to be some kind of legitimate political opposition. Only a fool would swallow their BS.

As for free speech, much as I hate facism with a passion, you have to allow people free speech to voice their opinions. Banning neo-nazi parties (or any other type of party) is a bad idea and fundamentally undemocratic as it's the thin end of the "you can vote for anyone as long as it's us" wedge.

Michael.

 

Wise words there Michael. Wholeheartedly agree.

 

Red hair - repatriate all people with red hair

Black shoes - it's quite obvious that all people who wear black shoes are religious fundamentalists who believe that people wearing brown shoes should not be allowed to live. We should immediately launch attacks on Clarkes shoe shops.

Can I paint anything else with a big fat brush...?

 

erm... it's the terrorists fault they did it