dielectric effect?

I heard about this a couple of times and I wanted to know what you think about it and if anyone has tried it before I will.

 

It does have a noticable affect on sound. Foamed teflon is the best dielectric.

 

Do you have carpets and do you hear a 'big difference' when the cables are a few cm above the the floor?

 

No because there is dieceltric in between. The closer something is to the cable the more effect it will have. Carpet might have a very slight effect I have never tried.

 

air is the best dielectric, not very practical tho!

 

Yes, that is why foamed teflon works best in practice, because it is teflon with air bubbles.

 

I must admit, these cable lifters seem possibly one of the more contentious ways to try a tweak.
But a DIY affair would cheap and easy, maybe worth a shot just for that reason.

 

Miller,
We would beg to differ on foamed telfon as the 'best practical dielectric'. I know a lot of manufactureres use it.
We have made 'air dielectric' 100% versions of some of our cables, (tricky but possible with specialy designed spacers)
I would say there is merit in air V's the best of the rest dielectric therories
Titian I feel you're still looking for ways to yet further 'wring the last drop' out your system sir

 

Worth noting that the air dielectric is alive and well in the Nordost Valhalla cables, where there is a filament of teflon wound around the conductor, which acts as a spacer between the conductor and the outer sleeving.

One could even take it a step further by using an inert gas in the cable. Of course, Helium would give a lighter sound, Xenon a brighter sound and Krypton would just be super.

I'll get me coat.

 

Sir, don't you agree?
Let's put it in this way: if putting the cables a few cm obove the carpets make a difference, I will tell my wife to make some nice 'cable stands' with wood. She loves to work with wood so why not (it won't cost much!)?

 

I'm not saying anything on this subject, I had the effect demonstrated to a myself and another forum member by a respected audio genetleman, you can measure the effects of 'on the carpet' and above it. weather the said difference in measurements makes a sonic impact is purely down to the idvidual. thats my take.
Your buddy Walker does those ceramic ones I think, maybe a chat to the chap may yet yeild some answers

 

Buddy is maybe not the right word.
Yes, he suggested me to use wooden napkin holders and make a hole in them where the cable goes though. I'm not sure though I understood him perfectly. Cheep solution... but before making my wife spend a lot of time, I wanted to know if anybody has experience in this stuff.

 

Isaac, I fear your talents are wasted here :lol:

 

Not that I am going to hang my cables with pizza box holders, also, I have so many cables it is almost impossible to keep them apart, anyway, no carpet, just bare wood floor where the cables are, is it supposed to be worst, better or the same as carpet...

 

It would appear that the appropriate attitude to this topic is that of Scrooge to Christmas:

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/CableDielectricAbsorption.html

:duck:

 

Could you not just rise your cables a few cm with whatever you could get your hands on around from the living room like a few cut of wood blocks, paper cups or ceramic cups in the next few minutes then sit back on the sofa to hear if there is any detectable improvements?

 

I wouldn't say it is the appropriate. It is one of the attitudes.
As they are persons for it there are also persons totaly against it.
Saying one way is appropriate should be kept as a very personal view.

Wolfgang:
yes, maybe later. Lot of work for me with 6 m long cables

 

Seems apposite. Note No. 5.

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/Audio-Cable-Vendor.html

 

Well OK, nearly everyone believes his convictions are the appropriate point of view.

Well this evening when it will be dark I'm going to do an experiment.
If I believe I am hearing a difference I will get Rita or Edi to do a blind test.

And if I don't hear a difference, it only means it doesn't work with my cables and my setup and I, on one side, will be happy not to spend more time on this stuff but, on the other side, I will be also sad I couldn't get things better 'free of charge'...


Edited after my tests:
Tomorrow I will have to find a way to be able to do a blind test!
The problem is that it takes 5 minutes to switch over ...

 

I would like to see what kind of cable 'suspenders' / 'holders' are available around. Does anybody have links to these 'accessories'?
Thanks