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    Neil

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    Found this on a mailing list I subscribe to, not scientific, but an interesting read:

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    The Wall Street Journal



    January 16, 2008



    PORTALS

    By LEE GOMES



    If You're Not Insane About Sound, Maybe You Can Just Go Crazy

    January 16, 2008; Page B1



    If you had to choose between two sets of speaker cables, one costing a

    few dollars and sounding fine, the other a few thousand dollars but

    perhaps sounding slightly better, and you chose the second pair, then

    you would have had a great time last week in Las Vegas.



    The city's many goings-on included The Home Entertainment Show, an

    audiophile trade show held in two small motels off the Strip.

    Audiophiles, as you probably know, are the hi-fi zealots who think

    nothing of spending $50,000 on a turntable. I've learned over the

    years that audiophiles actually come in two varieties: the totally

    insane and the merely crazy.



    The latter have a sense of humor and shrug that theirs is just one of

    many hobbies -- like wine -- for people with money, expansive

    vocabularies and the ability to discern differences lost on the rest

    of us.



    By contrast, my interests involve the extent to which beliefs

    influence perceptions. Scientists have discovered that brain scans of

    wine drinkers show they physically enjoy a wine more if they think it

    is expensive. Can audiophiles really hear all the differences they say

    they can, without being influenced by the brand or price of their

    equipment?



    To find out, Portals became an official exhibitor at T.H.E. Show last

    week. I set up a room with two sound systems, identical except for one

    component. Everything except the speakers was hidden behind screens.

    (A shout-out to Totem Acoustics for the Forest speakers loan and to

    Magnum Dynalab for the MD-308 amps. They all sounded sensational.)



    With the same music playing on both, participants used a remote

    control to switch between the two, and then tell me which sounded better.



    One of the tests compared a high-quality MP3 file from an iPod with a

    CD on a $3,000 player. Three-quarters of the 24 people taking this

    test preferred the CD.



    That was no surprise. However, when I played .wav files on the iPod --

    these are digital but uncompressed files; I was connecting the

    headphone jack to the amplifier -- 52% of the 21 who took this test

    preferred the iPod.



    That made me smile, not because snooty audiophiles got the "wrong"

    answer, but because it suggests great sound can come from popular,

    cheap gear.



    I also tested speaker cables, which are controversial even among

    audiophiles. Some spend tens of thousands of dollars on cabling, while

    others consider it an absurd waste of money.



    Using two identical CD players, I tested a $2,000, eight-foot pair of

    Sigma Retro Gold cables from Monster Cable, which are as thick as your

    thumb, against 14-gauge, hardware-store speaker cable. Many

    audiophiles say they are equally good. I couldn't hear a difference

    and was a wee bit suspicious that anyone else could. But of the 39

    people who took this test, 61% said they preferred the expensive cable.



    That may not be much of a margin for two products with such

    drastically different prices, but I was struck by how the

    best-informed people at the show -- like John Atkinson and Michael

    Fremer of Stereophile Magazine -- easily picked the expensive cable.



    Its sound was described as "richer," "crisper" and "more coherent."

    Like some wines, come to think of it.



    In absolute terms, though, the differences weren't great. Mr. Atkinson

    guesstimated the expensive cables sounded roughly 5% better. Remember,

    by definition, an audiophile is one who will bear any burden, pay any

    price, to get even a tiny improvement in sound.



    Attendance at the show was disappointing, so I didn't get the numbers

    of participants I wanted. Even if I had, I'm not sure I would have

    settled anything. These "A-B" tests have limits, including the fact

    that differences you might not pick up right away can become more

    apparent with extended listening.



    Skeptics out there might think I've gone all mushy and credulous on them.



    Not so.



    Consider the thriving audiophile product category of power-line

    conditioners, said to remove noise and distortions caused by your

    electrical supply, a problem you may not realize you have. A rep from

    Audience LLC accepted my invitation for an A-B test of the company's

    $2,800 AdeptResponse aR6 conditioner.



    He picked the system using his conditioner -- the other was plugged

    into the wall -- two out of three times.



    Note that the aforementioned "merely crazy" audiophiles say that while

    they might have home setups costing six figures, the rest of us can

    get splendid sound for under $1,000 by shopping at specialty audio

    shops, the sort that sell unfamiliar brands.



    I can't help you with brands, but my tests suggest you might want to

    do your ripping as .wav files. While they take up a lot more room than

    MP3s, falling disk prices make this feasible even for big collections.



    As for cables, good ones can cost well under $2,000. I'd still be

    happy at the hardware store, but you may be the golden-ear sort who

    can hear a difference. As in "Dirty Harry," you've got to ask

    yourself, "Do I feel lucky?"



    Well, do you?



    Write to Lee Gomes at [email protected]1

    URL for this article:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120044692027492991.html
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    Neil, Jan 22, 2008
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    anubisgrau

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    spot on with wav files.
     
    anubisgrau, Jan 22, 2008
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    sq225917 Exposer of Foo

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    with monster cable i'm surprised anyone expressed a preference.

    with the ipod maybe the hard disc pathway makes up for headphone jack...cpmpared to the cd's none perfect read.
     
    sq225917, Jan 22, 2008
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    bottleneck talks a load of rubbish

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    It's unfortunate he doesn't specify the bitrate of the MP3 and the decoder used, both which make such a difference.

    A casual reader could misadvertantly get the impression Wav = good, Mp3 = baaad.


    mooooo
     
    bottleneck, Jan 22, 2008
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    sq225917 Exposer of Foo

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    they'd be correct in that assumption. mp3 not quite as good wav better.
     
    sq225917, Jan 23, 2008
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