Funny noises about LP12's coming from the Private ads section

you are right there the phono stage is important and YES YES YES linn should build a new record deck for gods sake, i think 30 years is enough

 

and i am old school i'm affraid source 50 %, amp 30%, and speakers 20%. you change you speakers around and there will be a change in tone and clarity but never more information

 

Do they need to ? Their cd players are very good and from what I've been told the unidisk players are also at the forefront of that technology - sadly too expensive for me but may be one day.

The LP12 is still held in very high regard - look how many reviewers use them and most turntable reviews will mention the LP12 somewhere in them.

I read the article you mentioned and it was very interesting. I've never heard wilson speakers but I've now read several interviews with Wilson and he comes across as a guy who is very passionate about what he does. I also like their new ads, simple and effective.

 

the lp12 is NOT a good sounding deck i can asure you i had 4 of the damn things

 

ask bbv he will tell you aswell bbv where are you ?

 

at the end of the day i still prefer vinyl by quite a big margin i might say. it is more involving, natural, cosy, rythmic,smoother, and far more good looking.

 

Why bother Chris, if you can sell the older product, and not have to spend or R&D or marketing.

 

I totally agree. I heard the latest incarnation of the LP12 about a year ago and it sounded very good to me. The comments on this thread which are anti-LP12 go a little too far IMHO.

What I meant really was that given they are a company who relish the opportunity to re-invent themselves, why not try a clean sheet design? When we look at other manufacturers even older ones - Garrard did successive decks - 301, 401 etc, Michell did the same - micros, hydraulics, gyros, orbes etc, Linn used to do this too - they've manufactured many decks..

But! - about 15 years (or so - my memory is poor) they seemed to stop all new invention and began to do nothing other than modifications on the LP12. Why?

I honestly believe the reason is more political than anything else.. or is it because they see vinyl as a historic product not deserving of the investment of a new TT?

 

SACD is not clinical or brittle compared to red book, compared to vinyl it isn't either but it certainly lacks. How much you spend on speakers depends on how big the room is and whether you wish to fill it.

 

Not sure how much the R'n'D is on a new deck.

The other problem as well, with the LP12 being so iconic, you risk the chance of actually doing something which is going to be compared to it - and potentially slagged off.

The serious turntable market isn't that big and they would have to make something to outdo the LP12, probably costing more to buy and run the risk of not getting their investment back.

It would be interesting to see what they would come up with now.

 

Yeah, wouldn't be just r&D marketing costs would be high as well, agree your reasons are justifiable too, but they still sell them, so why bother with a new model, the gyro ain't new either, but like the LP12, has had mods done over the last 15 years or so.

 

maybe my 868avi is making it sound that way to me. it is an awesome dvd player(the picture amazes me) but cd replay is iffy and i supose sacd will be iffy aswell yea?

 

but it is a well engineered deck ,the important parts are well put together, and it has a stand alone motor, which any self respecting modern deck should have. i have had 2 gyros and have been VERY happy with both ,and now i have the sme series v, van den hul combination. i could not want for more

 

Bottleneck - remember linn did not really design the lp12 - its just a further development of an existing design. ITs father used to work for ariston and they look pretty similiar ;-). I doubt they would produce anything stunning given what I have heard of the rest of their kit over the years.

They dont make a new deck as they can sell the old by the barrow load without having to. The top flight linn is now severely behind the pace. An OL aurora with modded rega arm and an ortfon kb will give it a sound thrashing at 30% of the cost.

Almost all decks sound "good" the question is how do they sound for the money compared with the competition.

Source first is still true but I think its less relevent these days with advances in tech and espcecially cdp.

 

when we have friends over the gyro is the only thing that makes them sit up and say wow that sounds good. put a cd or sacd on and no reaction at all. these are the best people to test a system on because they don't know a thing about hifi

 

linn have made a fortune by selling upgrades to people who want a great sound and they will NEVER get there with an lp12 i'm affraid, look on e-bay you see barrow loads of lp12's WHY?

 

yes an ol deck will trounce ANY lp12 by quite a margin

 

yes you are right nick, but with vinyl you must have a good front end yea? cd is not so critical

 

linn have been laughing all the way to the bank i think they have taken most people for ------- mugs i and given thousands of back handers

 

That perhaps says more about your silver disc replay, than it does about vinyl. MY tecnodec was thoroughly outclassed by ny CDP