take a lookat the 'latest 50' bit at: [URL]http://www.adverts.hififorsale.com/latest.asp[/URL] eg. [QUOTE]Musical Infidelity- for sale. Musical stuff always for sale, what's with it?? is it crap? why do we keep seeing it then? [/QUOTE] or [QUOTE]Don't bother with mains or posh cables, total waste of cash, don't be taken in, they are robbing you[/QUOTE] there's more too - pmsl cheers julian