George Best

Why not just sit in silence? That way you can respect the feelings of others who may not wish to be disturbed while at the same time giving a clear demonstration of your true feelings.

Meanwhile, six posts on this thread - didn't you want to remain unmoved by his death?

Regards
Steve

 

Jeff,

If I get off a plane in Malaysia or Hong Kong and utter the name George Best, people smile and remember the good.

If I mention Joe Doright from the NHS in Stevenage it doesn't quite have the same effect.

As none of you ever met him, your judging him on tabloid rumourmongering is really quite sad and unjustified. But each to their own I guess. Just remember, live by the sword....

 

"he touched many peoples lives"

Just another media line done in a diana stylee.

All this twaddle and many other over the top adjectives just serve to make everything so plastic and false.

 

I won't be booing or jeering Steve, I will turn my back though. The only thing I'm moved to is anger. I don't understand how talented footballer he was he's been elevated to saintdom in the last few days. He was a thoroughly unpleasant character who is no role model for anybody, and yet just a few minutes ago on the radio I hear some half-wit proclaiming what a great role-model he was for young footballers, I mean eh? Sadly I didn't hear who it was, so I could cross them off my christmas card list.
The whole nation in grief thing sickens me, just as it did with Diana, and the Queen Mum. Let those that knew him mourn, those football teams that benefited from his talent celebrate that, don't make the rest of us do something we don't want to do.
My main gripe is that this afternoon I will no doubt be branded a thug and a hooligan because City and Liverpool are playing, now there's no lost between either of those two teams and United, so it's inevitable the silence won't be observed by some fans. On Sunday morning therefore I will be branded no doubt a thug at the very least by the hysterical press who've whipped up this frenzy.
He was a talented footballer, but so were many who've passed away, we're just about to descend into one of those national bouts of hysteria that are the only thing I've ever agreed with Boris Johnson over

 

There's a simple solution Summit. Simply switch off the media for a week or so. That's what I do following the Diana travesty.

Don't take it out on the deceased though. Take it out on the media - after all it was probably them that killed him in the first place.

I had assumed that the mindless behavior at the Manc/Scouse derby was attributable to both sets of supporters and have removed a post critisising City fans in light of Bob's comments below. Apologies for jumping to conclusions.

 

StereoMic
Your observation is an interesting one as the BBC reports have made it clear that the Liverpool fans were responsible for the curtailing of the silence. I can only think that your authority is due to you being at the match in which case could you let us know what part of the ground you were sitting in and where the abuse came from. Afterall you wouldn't want us to think you were an uninformed ignorant fool would you?

Obviusly not after reading your edit. Thankyou.

 

We've got racism and we're looking at religious hatred. What about hatred of rival football supporters? Is there a difference?

Man U/Liverpool, Burnley/Blackburn, Spurs/Arsenal, Portsmouth/Southampton, Newcastle/Sunderland, Rangers/Celtic - to name just a few. Sporting rivalry is one thing but hatred?

Isn't it time we all grew up?

Regards
Steve

 

Ahem....Celtic/Rangers

 

Ahem...

Bigoted, sectarian life-wasting morons/Bigoted, sectarian life-wasting morons
:SLEEP:

As for George Best:
He played football well.
He got drunk often.
He died.

 

...And the women?

 

This is complete poppycock, and I wish people would learn some ethics.

 

Yes it is total poppycock,as is most of the Best bashing in this and other thread.You either appreciated the pleasure he brought to people with his talents or you didn't,blaming him for having a desease and then questioning whether the ex-owner of his liver would complain is just juvenile.

 

Ethics? Yours or mine?

Alchoholism - a very bad desease/habit (feel free to discuss).
New liver = 2nd chance.

Did he pay for the 2nd liver? Or was it donated freely? (queue further ethical debate).

If ever there was something to motivate kicking the habit (or recovery if you believe it to be a bona fide desease), youd think a new liver would be it.

Do all alchoholics automatically get a new liver after they've finished with their own?

SAAB - why is it a juvenile discussion?

You should stop wallowing in the media hype of a very good football player who sadly died due to complications from a nasty habit. The rally driver, Richard Burns' death was a more newsworthy story. Unfortunately he doesnt sell papers/attract viewers so the media deemed him not worthy of mass hysteric grieving. The Channel4 news report on the night of his death even had the wrong picture! FFS.

 

And Marcus may spend the rest of his life quoting Mark Twain...

 

I agree re Richard Burns,but the talents of George Best were not media hype,they were real and many tens of thousands if not millions of people took pleasure from them.Thats not hype,its reality.

Whats juvenile is the philosophising about medical ethics.His life was prolonged after suffering from a medically recognised desease.Its not complicated,quite a simple concept although some of you would have us believe he robbed graves and turned into Frankensteins monster.

There is no medical debate.Its not debatable.He had a desease,needed a new liver and got one.The debate is why some people feel the need to complicate this on supposed ethical grounds.It was unethical NOT to give him a new liver.

 

I'm with Saab on this one.

The whole question of whether a person deserves to get medical treatment for self-inflicted conditions is one best avoided IMO, and anyway I bet most people who receive donated livers have probably turned their own to sludge by drinking - who's got the figures on how many of such people manage to cut the sauce out their lives entirely following a liver transplant?

 

I was with most of the Liverpool supporters, didn't any boo's. I was told Man City were going hold a minutes sience for one of there supporters

 

Match Of The Day reported some confusion at the match when some ex-players appeared in the tunnel many fans cheered when they saw them,they weren't cheering against the silence.

 

Being pedantic...you will see that it twas not I that commenced the discussion about ethics. And medical ethics are clearly not Juvenile. In fact Im astounded you think they are.

Maybe I havent made my point clearly enough. My issue is with the mass media grief hyperbole for someone that was good at football, but also someone that was given a 2nd chance but continued to take the **** (almost literally). Give the media a little time and they will start dicussing the negative aspects of his life ( in true tabloid fashion).

ManU v West Ham was the best place for a tribute - and they did it well (a minutes clapping instead of silence) - this is all that was needed IMO.

 

I didn't say medical ethics are juvenile,so yes you are being pedantic.I said the supposed ethical arguement that Bests donor would be 'unhappy' is juvenile,because we will never know and its irrelevant anyway.