It says it all to me

Amazing how sad and pathetic these people really are
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she made you look and therefore succeeded in her aims. good for her.
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julian

 

Actually, her 'intelligent' decision to get her paps out merely solidified my stance on people that are pro-hunting; they're a waste of space and have no justifiable means for what they do.

"It will create a loss of jobs."

Yeah, I bet the hangman thought that when capital punishment was out-lawed.

 

sorry for the space that i take up. like i said in another thread most hunts are unsuccessful in actually catching a fox however what i object to is yet another english tradition being pc'd to death but the f*ckers in parliament. still it's the law now i guess all those horses being sold to france for dog meat and the glue industry and the hundreds of dogs being put down as there is now no longer any reason to keep them mean very little to you. also the old traditional trades like blacksmiths and saddlers will also now have a much harder time of it. still as long as we can save a few tens of verminous animals a year thats what counts eh?
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julian

 

Fair points Julian but they shouldn't have been doing it in the first place. These aren't the dark ages (unless you live in Barnsley or Lincoln). I'd probably quite enjoy going on a hunt but that doesn't make it just. If I was to go on to their land and shoot one of their dogs because I felt like hunting it I'm sure they'd be royally (pun intended) pissed off.

Maybe they should shoot each other - it'd solve a few problems.

 

I am a meat eater but then humans are designed to eat meat. I think hunting for sports is rather pointless and cruel, if the middle class oinks that do have nothing better to do why don't they take up golf thus it will increase demand and create a few jobs in that industry.

I am not really a countryside person though so I don't know how those people live other than buying a new 4x4 every year to keep up with Mrs Jones next door.

Voodoo I like you suggestion about letting them shoot each other. They do that in Moss SIde and it generaly works as longs as no inoscent(sP) victims don't get in the way.

 

oooh, the preconceptions, i like to think of myself as rural however i've never owned a 4x4 or a pair of green wellies. but then all you townies are chav scum with shares in burberry and maxed up novas innit?
the ban on fox hunting had nothing to do with cruelty and everything to do with party politics and getting the back benchers on board for the next general election. if it WAS about cruelty then fishing, falconry, shooting and any other 'hunting sport' would have been banned too
as it is it's another knee jerk incompetent law from a bunch of wishy washy tossers who's ideals stretch as far as their own self interest and f*ck everyone else.
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julian

 

Prescot and go are planning of banning these too so don't worry

 

You need a license to fish or shoot but not to hunt.

 

yes, but those sports are cruel too so why aren;t they banned as well? by your own logic they should have licensed hunting - which i'd be in favour of actually as long as the money went to rural areas and not to wallpaper a politico's office.
at,
naah they should license them too - a chav tax at 1k an alloy.
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julian

 

They already do in insurance premiums bvut those stupid chavs don't bother paying insurance so the only people who loose out are the people who have paid their insurance. Maybe they should charge a £1k tax on hunting then spend that money on subsidising the poorer farmers or somthing.

 

The real cruelty in this thread is whetting our appetite and then not showing the young lady in the state which caused the thread.

 

hmmm not sure what to think myself, I do think perhaps in this day and age its outdated and yes, cruel, barbaric.
Thoguht it is undeniably a wonderful tradition and sight seeing those things, horses, across the misty moors and downs, would be nice if england was full of just country people.
As to fishing, there is debate that fish don't have nerves there and the palate is hard ,so the barb doesn't hurt. Whether that is just justifying it?
It is one thing to catch a fish and another to tear a fox to shreds though.
Shooting is the same, its a lot more humane that a dog.
I should be a country gent!!

I am an unashamed rose tinted person.
but perhaps some p.c. in it, and some election manouvreing, too.
Even so Blair again has showed comtempt for democracy and the sooner he goes the better, he is a ego self obsessed maniac, and is well passed his sell by date.
Roll on proportional representation, too.

 

Hi LCD,

Blair might be all the things you mentioned and more and I'm certainly not defending him but I think that Fox Hunting was on Labour's election manifasto, so at least in this case he was being true to his promise.

 

Try living in the country and having to drive past the stuck up f&*%ers and their posse, it's a major pain in the arse.

 

even if fish don't have nerves in their palates it's still cruel to stick a hook in them and drag them out of their natural environment and suffocating them for a while before sticking them in a tiny net with loads of other fish for a day. then they get suffocated again, weighed and then thrown back all for it to happen again. that's not cruel?
similar thing to falconry and shooting, not every shot kills instantly you know. the truth is that fox hunting had a lot of vocal greeny protestors on it;s back and after iraq and before the next general election blair needed to do something to get the hordes who demonstrated against the war back on side ready for another 4 or so years of anal raping at the hands of new labour (not that the others are any better).
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julian

 

Not strictly true.

I have a firearm that is sufficient to hunt with but not kill a human (a high powered air rifle) and I can kill pigeons and rabbits with no license, just the landowners permission.

Fishing licenses are more about access to the land. You certainly dont need one to dangle a rod from the end of a pier!

A few firm but fair facts I feel:

1 Foxes kill livestock and are vermin that need to be culled (or killed if you dont want the PC word).

2 IF foxes werent furry and were ugly - like rats - then nobody would give a shit. Rats kill baby chicks and the like .. does anybody complain if they are poisoned with a slow and painfull death?

3 Would it be kinder to put terriers down foxholes to cull foxes? Shoot them with the possibility of a miss-hit injuring but not killing the animal? Would you prefer a slow and debilitating death by poison? How would you control the fox population?

4 People seem more upset by the traditions around fox hunting - examples: the clothing, the ceremonies etc than they are by the death of an animal.

5 Id warrant the same people who complain about the death of a few foxes eat 96 chickens each year, 12 pigs, 2 sheep and a cow. They also probably wear dead animal products like leather and suede most days. These animals had a shit life and were killed by a massive great evil looking machine. Hypocrasy?

 

This has happened due to our abuse of the fox's natural predators. Wild bear and wolf kept the fox population in a natural balance. Our fear of bear/Wolf has started these probems. It should be us who re-address's this problem, without persecuting the fox for sadistic pleasure.

I would not want to see any animal suffer. If a cull is neccesary then use the most humane means available.

Same answer as above. At the moment i feel shooting by a trained marksman is probably the most humane way to do this. There may be other ways, but useing dogs for it is just sick.

I find the arrogant single mindedness of the people to be the most upseting. They seem to think that killing animals for pleasure is there birth right. Maybe they lack the ingenuity to discover more enjoyable pastimes. It is not there right, and certainly not to be doing it for pleasure.

Hypocrasy? No. We are omnivors. Killing an animal for food is the natural way of our species. When animals were killed for this reason, most of the animal products had a use, Hide for clothing, bags etc., sinue for string, bone for glue. meat for food.
Unfortunatly we can not be sure that the meat we buy has come from a good source, where the animal is slaughtered properly, and the farming is a good standard, a sad fact of modern life. This is completely different to killing for your own personal pleasure.
Before anyone says it, i am not a townee with no idea of country life. Both sides of my fammily come from farming backgrounds, I still have relatives and friends in very rural areas.

 

That's one point about hunting, either with guns or dogs... You'll sometimes find the landowner doesn't own the hunting rights to their own land! A m8 of mine with a 50 acre farm up the road has to sit on his hands while the gamekeeper for Lord Muck next door wanders around casually shooting. At least he doesn't bring all those fat businessmen who've paid £10000 each with him!
He also told the local hunt they weren't welcome - due to the fact they
a) scare the cows
b) leave all the gates open
c) leave a terrible mess
They came onto his land anyway - he was told if he complained there'd "be problems!"

This is the real point... Chicken farming is much more of an animal rights issue imho, as well as dairy farming (even more so than beef).
Still, battery chicken farming is allegedly being phased out.
What I would do about hunting with horses and dogs is ignore it and hope it would go away, due to the participants finally realising it's a bit twatty. Besides, they often don't even catch a fox! The dog-pack hunts (ie without horses) tend to be much more successful at fox control..

 

going to ban halal and kosher meat too?
the thing is that killing anything is cruel however that's the way that life is. in order for one species to live another has to die - either directly as in the case of food or indirectly as in killing off 'vermin' or competing animals for agricultural space. how long do you think all the cows and chickens would last if the entire world suddenly went vegiterian? about a nano second as they'd then be direct competition for the survival of humanity in terms of food supply so they'd be killed - witness the burning piles of sheep when foot and mouth struck - they were no longer any use and in fact were a positive danger to our food supply so out came the petrol and matches. face it in order for you to live other things have to die - sometimes in a cruel manner - all those pesticides etc. aren't designed to be humane, they are designed to do a job. face it, drop the hipocracy and move on.
fox hunting as an english tradition goes back to the 1500's the sad thing is that all that history has been swept aside by some petty little man who wants to get his grubby hands on your taxes for another couple of years. f*cking pathetic.
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julian