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    Paul Ranson

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    Not really, as I said it's a matter of degree. An audiophool system might give a singer a mouth 6 feet wide, a proper hifi might allow you hear that the singer was recorded in a booth and the band in a large live space. Try reading any 'David Allcock' review for an almost inevitable example of image based audiophoolery.
    I've no idea how much money he has, and if I did know it wouldn't offend me.
    Now you are getting very silly indeed.

    Paul
     
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    Paul Ranson

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    By definition because valve amps are unnecessary and inefficient they must become audiophoolery. But it's nice to see the amp working.
    I used ESL63s until they exploded. I'm thinking about my next move.
    I might take you up on that. It would be interesting to evaluate your soundstage...

    Paul
     
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    Hi Paul,

    What happened? Are they beyond repair?

    SCIDB
     
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    bottleneck talks a load of rubbish

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    Sorry to hear about your speakers Paul.

    Good luck in finding a fix/replacement.

    Cheers
    Chris
     
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    Paul Ranson

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    Environmental damage (bloody cats) caused a diaphragm bond to fail on one panel. Inspection showed that some of the others were marginal. I spent some very enjoyable time building jigs and rebuilding panels but it's very difficult to keep the electricity in for long, I think a more or less 'clean' room is necessary. So this project is on the back burner. It's really satisfying getting sound out of something you've stretched and glued though.

    New panels from Quad are more than £150 and with an old speaker it makes no sense not to replace all 8. Which makes no sense.

    So who knows. Child and cat proof appliance hifi sought.

    Paul
     
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    I have to agree with Pauls comment regarding the size of image some systems portray.

    This is one of the reasons I now have a Krell power instead on the Nu-Vista 300 power. Things were larger than life in this room with the system back then.
     
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    The notion of image size when refering to different instruments/vocalist in a mix is entirely dependent on how it's mic'd up in the first place.
    How big should a Marshall stack be compared to say a hi hat?How far away is it?The very fact most modern recordings are multi-mic'd and /or close mic'd can and does create some very interesting 'size' issues in a stereo soundstage when the relative levels in a mix are also taken into account.IMHO real, it ain't.
     
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    Paul Ranson

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    If it's on the record then it's real.

    Paul
     
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    Unless your kids have very long arms or your cats are very small, a horn speaker should be just the ticket Paul.

    By the way, you cannot have horns and also claim to be into "audiophool imaging". The two do not go together - it's simple physics.
     
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    Interesting philosophical point:)
    Though my point was (as I'm sure you know)the recording is only a representation, a creation of the band and the producer/engineer.
    I prefer 'tangible' to 'real' in describing what we hear over a good system.
    I have heard some passable recreations of live events however, where the venue acoustic and the band are tangibly represented(Trinity session by Cowboy Junkies is one such which owes much to the soundfield mic and minimal processing) between the speakers.
     
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    Cheers :)
    I've added it to the list, to test out, when more cash is available.
     
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    Paul Ranson

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    I'm a purist. A horn speaker that doesn't have proper horn bass is inelegant and somewhat pointless.

    I'd rather not comment on S/PDIF cables affecting the bass.

    Paul
     
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    Paul Ranson

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    But the recording is all you have. A system that makes some records sound like you think they should sound isn't hifi. It will also severely constrain your longer term entertainment.

    IMO an acid test for a hifi is to play a transcription of an old 78rpm record, if Robert Johnson doesn't cause horripilation then there's something wrong, however smooth the plinque.

    Paul
     
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    Stereo Mic

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    How about controlling directivity and room interaction? If you are interested in what is on the recording, then this is a goal that is far from pointless.
     
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    Which horns with 'proper' horn bass have you enjoyed Paul.
     
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    Paul Ranson

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    How does a horn, per se, do something unique here?
    I think it might have been The Stranglers at the Cambridge Corn Exchange....

    Paul
     
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    Stereo Mic

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    What was the last dynamic loudspeaker you heard with 80 deg x 30 deg dispersion across three octaves?

    Keith,

    Paul chooses to see efficiency and loudness capability as the sole benefit of horn loading and does not consider efficiency to be that important anyway IIRC. So like valve amps they are pointless to Paul.

    It should perhaps also be pointed out that he spends a large amount of time at considerable speed in and around unsilenced racing cars with minimal ear protection and has done for a number of years.
     
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    That would explain him running Quads, probably doesn't need any further excitement from his stereo.
     
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    Paul Ranson

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    Which three octaves, and why is this a good thing?

    FWIW the racing car has big silencers.

    Paul
     
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    Stereo Mic

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    Let's say from 800hz to 6.5khz as an example.

    Do you prefer to listen to the room or the recording Paul?

    I thought you were arguing for the recording not long ago.
     
    Stereo Mic, Sep 25, 2007
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