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I don't think I've read a thread where people have got so wound up before. Seems a bit silly TBH.

I think that cables make a difference to a point. That point being what you are prepared to pay. The 3000 quid valve amp above being a good example. I am sure that the cable makes an impact on the sound of my system. I am also prepared to pay up to a point in order to get a cable that sounds better in my system.

I believe differently on this subject to Sideshowbob (for example) but that doesn't mean that either:

a. I am an ignoramus.

or

b. He is totally wrong.

Is it not possible to be a bit less hysterical about this? I think if everyone was in the same room together it would me a much calmer discussion. There can be a tendency to get a bit carried away whith the safety net of anonimity and physical seperation conferred by Internet Forums.

I think that quantitatively examining the transmission properties of different cables would be of great advantage. I don't know what you would measure beyond the usual capacitance, conductivity etc, or what you could use as a reference because all the test kit would also use,,, cables.

However; surely there can be some way to ascertain if different cables have discernably different electrical and RF rejection capabilities and hence how this effects (or doesn't effect) the sound?

The onus will never be on the industry as long as people like Roy Gregory sing the praises of the latest 10,000 pound Nordost Cable Loom; and other (fools?) are prepared to buy it. The psuedo- scientific rubbish most of these companies spout is also a bit of an embarrasment.

As a prelude to scientific testing I would ask anyone who is firmly against the view that they make any difference to try a 2.99p Maplins IC against one of Pete's Ag/Au. I would be very surprised if you don't notice the difference. Whether or not you find it worthwhile is another matter but I am sure that I heard a difference when I got one and you would too.

You don't have to be dogmatic either way but at the end of the day (sorry) it doesn't really matter much if you are, because it is all personal choice.

As a final note in response to the comment about forums above. I have found the advice and opinions on this forum particularly useful, very few people have vested interests IMHO. Lots of valid ideas and honest opinions about kit outside the mainstream. Also, like most people I'll take the thoughts and advice I like the sound of and leave the bits I don't.

Apologies for the length of post

<blockquote data-quote="scott_01" data-source="post: 690729" data-attributes="member: 2512">I don't think I've read a thread where people have got so wound up before.&nbsp; Seems a bit silly TBH.&nbsp; I think that cables make a difference to a point.&nbsp; That point being what you are prepared to pay.&nbsp; The 3000 quid valve amp above being a good example.&nbsp; I am sure that the cable makes an impact on the sound of my system.&nbsp; I am also prepared to pay up to a point in order to get a cable that sounds better in my system.&nbsp; I believe differently on this subject to Sideshowbob (for example) but that doesn't mean that either:a. I am an ignoramus.orb. He is totally wrong.Is it not possible to be a bit less hysterical about this?&nbsp; I think if everyone was in the same room together it would me a much calmer discussion.&nbsp; There can be a tendency to get a bit carried away whith the safety net of anonimity and physical seperation conferred by Internet Forums.I think that quantitatively examining the transmission properties of different cables would be of great advantage.&nbsp; I don't know what you would measure beyond the usual capacitance, conductivity etc, or what you could use as a reference because all the test kit would also use,,, cables.&nbsp; However; surely there can be some way to ascertain if different cables have discernably different electrical and RF rejection capabilities and hence how this effects (or doesn't effect) the sound?&nbsp; The onus will never be on the industry as long as people like Roy Gregory sing the praises of the latest 10,000 pound Nordost Cable Loom; and other (fools?) are prepared to buy it. The psuedo- scientific rubbish most of these companies spout is also a bit of an embarrasment.As a prelude to scientific testing I would ask anyone who is firmly against the view that they make any difference to try a 2.99p Maplins IC against one of Pete's Ag/Au.&nbsp; I would be very surprised if you don't notice the difference.&nbsp; Whether or not you find it worthwhile is another matter but I am sure that I heard a difference when I got one and you would too.You don't have to be dogmatic either way but at the end of the day (sorry) it doesn't really matter much if you are, because it is all personal choice.&nbsp; As a final note in response to the comment about forums above. I have found the advice and opinions on this forum particularly useful, very few people have vested interests IMHO. Lots of valid ideas and honest opinions about kit outside the mainstream.&nbsp; Also, like most people I'll take the thoughts and advice I like the sound of and leave the bits I don't.Apologies for the length of post<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes&nbsp; &nbsp; :rolleyes:"&nbsp; data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="scott_01, post: 690729, member: 2512"] I don't think I've read a thread where people have got so wound up before. Seems a bit silly TBH. I think that cables make a difference to a point. That point being what you are prepared to pay. The 3000 quid valve amp above being a good example. I am sure that the cable makes an impact on the sound of my system. I am also prepared to pay up to a point in order to get a cable that sounds better in my system. I believe differently on this subject to Sideshowbob (for example) but that doesn't mean that either: a. I am an ignoramus. or b. He is totally wrong. Is it not possible to be a bit less hysterical about this? I think if everyone was in the same room together it would me a much calmer discussion. There can be a tendency to get a bit carried away whith the safety net of anonimity and physical seperation conferred by Internet Forums. I think that quantitatively examining the transmission properties of different cables would be of great advantage. I don't know what you would measure beyond the usual capacitance, conductivity etc, or what you could use as a reference because all the test kit would also use,,, cables. However; surely there can be some way to ascertain if different cables have discernably different electrical and RF rejection capabilities and hence how this effects (or doesn't effect) the sound? The onus will never be on the industry as long as people like Roy Gregory sing the praises of the latest 10,000 pound Nordost Cable Loom; and other (fools?) are prepared to buy it. The psuedo- scientific rubbish most of these companies spout is also a bit of an embarrasment. As a prelude to scientific testing I would ask anyone who is firmly against the view that they make any difference to try a 2.99p Maplins IC against one of Pete's Ag/Au. I would be very surprised if you don't notice the difference. Whether or not you find it worthwhile is another matter but I am sure that I heard a difference when I got one and you would too. You don't have to be dogmatic either way but at the end of the day (sorry) it doesn't really matter much if you are, because it is all personal choice. As a final note in response to the comment about forums above. I have found the advice and opinions on this forum particularly useful, very few people have vested interests IMHO. Lots of valid ideas and honest opinions about kit outside the mainstream. Also, like most people I'll take the thoughts and advice I like the sound of and leave the bits I don't. Apologies for the length of post:rolleyes: [/QUOTE]

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