new living voice prototype horns

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Romy.... Romy.....

i thought you would not talk to me anymore ?

well, THE CAT humiliate himself to talk to someone, that he has such a low impression ?

honestly, you don't even imagine how much i amuse myself with you....

i am so accostumed to hear your crap, do you really think it does some effect to me ? be shure, i will melk you like a cow, as much as i can. Don't think i do not have access to your homepage. I have when ever i want....

 

That rather colorful image leaves me feeling faintly queasy :chunder::chunder:

 

WTF was that?

 

it seems it's not a good time for selling these, 1800E only.

 

Whoa! Someone tried to take Romy hostage and Romy nuked him with a biblical plasma! How awesome is that??? :yikes:

 

jinkies! seems like a lot of bang for your euro!

 

Sorry but words of wisdom I had to share with fellow ZG'ers.

Sounds fishy to me...

 

the reason why they've implemented isobarik is pretty obvious - to reduce the physical size of the woofers and make it more domestically accepting, what they certainly achieved, not only through this.
"a cabinet that sings along" - it may look as a joke but in a way there is some truth - it as a way of tuning of the speaker: they wanted to minimize an integration problem between a DC driver in the horn and an isobarik box. you call it naive but this expensive horn is not there for merely cosmetic reasons.

last but not least, the attention given to the crossover design to achieve a perfect phase coherence along with everything else makes this speaker actually very very interesting.

 

they do sound excellent. and how!

i've just spent very pleasant 4 hours with the oris swing horns.

pics of the actual systems are here:




although the amplification was not what they would optimally love (classe class A SS power amp, in a transition from border patrol 300b to the dedicated oris chip amp), this didn't stop swings showing what they can really do.

the first impression was an absolute simplicity and easiness in the way they portray the music. next thing you notice after playing a few different and diverse tracks is a lack of any particular character - they really follow the recording, adopting the tones, dimensions and nature of the music reproduced. the sense of wholeness and coherence is wonderful - even for me who comes from the ATCs whom i like for the excellent integration, this is another world.

playing johnny cash's great "bridge across troubled water" exposed a wonderful ambience qualities of the recording not known to me before. swings projects an extremely deep soundstage, although a nature of it to my ears sounded much closer to how i hear it in a concert hall - without common audiophile atributes such as "3D", "pinpoint imaging", and so on. if you ask about details, yes they are all there, in spades, just projected as a part of the whole picture.

the nearest reference point, both in price and parts of the design (considering that swings could be also somehow classified as hybrids, utilizing active bass units) is the avantgarde duos. maybe it wouldn't be fair to compare these two as i heard both speakers in completely different systems, but i couldn't get rid of the feeling that while duos just give you a hint of the horns' promise, oris swings deliver it big time.

whoever is of an opinion - like i used to be upon listening to obviously wrong things - that horns are aggressive, shouty and all-loudness-no-subtlety-thing, should hear these. most of the modern dynamic offerings with the hi-tech tweeters sound much more unpleasant IMHO.

the speaker consists of 2 sound sources - one is a coaxial compression driver covering from 300hz up and crossing at 7khz between a mid and a HF unit. the bass is handled with two 15" units in an isobaric chamber, powered by a small chip amp.

while listening to duos, despite a good fun thanks to speed and dynamics provided by the horns, i couldn't get rid of the feeling that i am listening to 2 completely different systems - bass bins up to 300hz and horns from 300 hz on, oris swing sounds much more coherent. for the final verdict, i would need to hear it a bit longer, with more apropriate amps and more music i'm familiar with, but my ageing ears couldn't find anything there to complain about integration and coherence between lower freqs and the rest of the spectrum.

if you ask about downsides - frankly speaking nothing i could point directly at the speakers. let's wait to hear them with a dedicated amplification.

oh yes, while playing one of these monstrous audiophile tracks to test low freq extension, speed and transients, the drums sounded enormously big, but i'm really not familiar with the recording to conclude that swings suffer from apogee scintilla syndrome of making everything 3x bigger than real. on familiar tracks it all sounded fine.

the next test should be with my altmann BYOB and DAC, once the fuc*in battery arrives to me, as well with the dedicated oris crazy A chips that are on the way to the owner.

i am not sure if these would work in my room, but i would definitely love to give them a try, despite nearly 100 kilos per box. the listening distance to the horns was around 5m (the room was around 70m2) and in my room this will be around 3-3.5m, not sure if enough.

and yes, they look fenomenal. i though that avantgardes can't be killed on looks but these, combining graphite feet, walnut-like veneer and white ABS horns, are second to none.

 

Better than your ATC's?

 

Cool. Thanks for the write up. I think the qualities you mention tend to apply to many of the latest generation of quality compression drivers and horns. I certainly recognise and associate with them and I'm sure others will too. The latest Avantgardes do seem to have become more cohesive - although again I agree fully with what you say about the Duo's I heard a few years ago (The Uno was even worse in this respect). Thanks again for sharing and glad you enjoyed them. I would really love to have that room!

 

well, you know that i've never been too polite to my ATCs, but listening to oris horns this afternoon i did think about them and not only once. while i've never been hiding my frustration with their upper mid/highs resolution, some of their qualities - dynamic handling and a relative lack of nasty colorations - elevates them into the world different from the most of the hi-fi speakers. my old friend bub is pretty much right when he says that no other dynamic speaker can make drums sounding like drums and you can hear that even from the small ATCs like mine.
they are a class of their own that deserves a full respect and a regret that the company is not interested in pushing them to the limits.

 

Anu have you heard many other speakers? ( other than ATC )

 

of course not, just ATCs.... although i'm saving for some cessaro horns

 

I'm glad to hear it! It's just that I have always found ATC's one of the more unpleasant brands , mechanical and strident ,cheap as chips parts ( although you can level that accusation at any number of manufacturers ) , what will you listen to next? Keith.

 

this is how ATCs sound in a wrong setup. you can ask me whatever you want about it - i changed quite a few preamps until i got them sounding right (within the limits)...

 

Anu I can believe that, although I have heard them at dealers more than once ( one might imagine they would be capable of presenting them properly ), when I first heard horns , ( Avantgardes) there was something about them I enjoyed, and wanted to pursue, the way the sound filled the room, I couldn't go back to a box now. Keith.

 

Hmmmm Oris :green:

I find I have become quite hooked up with the Horn scene this year and have been girding my loins for the long confusing road ahead ~

I came very close to pressing the GO button on an Oris Horn setup similar to Jack Jackman's http://www.bd-design.nl/index1.html

There is also a company operating out of Oz producing a similar product at very reasonable prices !

 

I looked at Oris, and BD and Edgarhorns, Avantgarde, I even considered older designs Altec ,Vott , theres Aspara and the company based in Wales ( I think ) , Murray Johnson, pointed me towards Cessaro. But once you have heard a really good horn loudspeaker there is no alternative imho of course.Keith.

 

This is a fundamentally different design to Oris Swings, it uses AER drivers (German, Lowther-type FR speakers).... never heard those but would expect to sound very different from what i've experienced today.