not again...

One report is suggesting the guy had nothing on him, this is only a report on Sky by the way.

 

i have to say wrt the cops shooting people, I think they can't be trusted with guns, they should not be armed, they kill anyone remotely resemling a firearm, even if its not.
and the inquiries ALWAYS come out in their favour, they can't be trusted.
neither can the army, they are going to 'hang' a few poor corporals for losing it when the real war criminals are actually the ones who sent them.

like I said, suicide bombing has evolved from being a terrible shocking desparate tactic by desperate people, to one used by prosperous brits as a leisure activity, influenced by stuff they see and hear on the news. crazy

its certtainly going to be fascinating what the forensics on the new stuff will lead to....

 

if this evenings news read: 'a dozen people including 3 police officers were killed today when a known fundamentalist detonated a suicide bomb on a crowded tube train. the bomber exploded himself as police attempted to talk him out of it'

how would you feel then? - the police, don't forget, must have believed they were in mortal danger.

unfortunate, but it appears this is the way we are headed

 

Killing the man has no advantage to the police for information. they must have had other information. Remember he was running away and wouldn't stop, anyone with a bit of comman sense would have stopped, unless he had something to hide.

 

Why didn't he also condemn whats going on in Sudan and Kenya, maybe thats because its the muslims who are the aggressor's. It really angers me how both sides only state advantages to there own side.

 

data

did you edit your post to make it so it made more sense or less. either way it's difficult to tell.

so lets take all the guns away from the police and army and resign ourselves that everything that comes out of either organisation is sympomatic of a whitewash.


.......used by prosperous brits as a leisure activity

shut up fool

 

free speech is a right in this country john. you can't shut people up you don't like much as you may try

these guys are british born and bred, purely doing this thing as copycat from palestine, its become trendy, these guys aren't desperate with nothing to lose, tell me where the crushed homes are , the killed babies, all that, not with these guys, what motive do they have, just muslim brothers in far off lands, they are all our brothers in the sense they are humans suffereing injustice, doesn't cause me to blow people up tho.
at least you don't see jews blowing up palestinians outside of israel

if you can give a coherent argument about what I am wrong about, we can engage is fruitful discussion instead of a slanging match, I am willing....

 

Just shows everyones dishing out crap somewhere along the line

 

''these guys are british born and bred, purely doing this thing as copycat from palestine, its become trendy''

how do you know this, where do you you get your facts from.



from what i understand these recent attacks are part of a long term largely insoluable problem that may well be helped by uk forces withdrawing from iraq, the empowerment of muslim women and the west ceasing to ''accomodate'' hardline middle eastern governments. amongst many other things

 

I'll have some of what he's on please

 

data

above you'll find some that ''coherent arguement' you were after.

where's your response?

 

According to the BBC , the Police have confirmed the man shot dead was not connected to the bombings.

A very difficult and no-win position for the Police I believe.

 

Must admit, I imagined they would of had a good reason.

Oh dear!

 

are you disputing they are britsh, born and educated? that's clearly documented and easily verifiable if need be. Indeed it would be far more desirable to blame it on say algerians. Its an embarrassment and a thorn in the side, them being 'british'.

as such, they are 'relatively' affluent, their homes have not been crushed by israeli tanks, they children not slaughtered, their land illegally occupied. my heart pains at the things that are happening, too.

they have no motive apart from being brainwashed by poison rhetoric and influenced by the media on what they see in the news and read in the papers. The papers and the news subliminally affect people. It spreads like wildfire, can't prove it yet, but psycholgy will. Watch this space.

It begs the question how many more 'britains' are here willing to kill fellow britains. As such they have no allegiance to this country and should be revoked of citizenship. If we are the enemy, then the enemy is also within. Remember you are a target in london.

As I said, many people will've voted against the war, see how dumb they are. they kill those who sympthathize with them.

Its as logical as jews suicide bombing innocent germans for the nazi crimes. That's how dumb these pricks are.

yes it was bound to happen, but it HAS been seriously concentrated, intensified 1000s of percent by Mr Blair and bush's war. As much as the pm would like to deny this, as it makes him culpable, and nothing to do with giving in to them as he says, he must take the flak, as ought the people that reelected him, this is now being documented as a motive, and no-one in their right mind would disupte this. If you do, you come under blairs spell, calm considered and careful reasoning is good, but to listen to one who tries to deny responsibility is being far too openminded and as a result you let anything in , and he has really lost it on this count and it shows how out of touch and power crazed he is.

Indeed, if you ask me to prove this, the only way apart from my fairly accurate internal intuition, is to do a survey of the muslim population, it will without a doubt tell you so, but Mr Blair denying it is also as unfounded as my assertion.

I don't know of a solution, its has now been 'created' by aligning with bush, they HATE him, now they hate us for being an ally, I predicted this, saying we have been made a target, I do have my faults, and am ready to admit to being emotive and reactionary, but I have been right on a lot of counts. It could have been avoided by telling bush to shove it. That's what makes me angry, knowing things in advance and seeing the opposite being done, but people dislike it when you say told you so, they hate it.

to pull out of iraq is to acquiesce to terrorism, to not do only invites more attacks. This will not disappear immediately, its going to take years, perhaps decades, but you can start by deporting sympathizers right away, and todays poll suggested at least 6-8% of british muslims condone it, which is utterly unacceptable.

We all have grievences, except us more enlightened folks have a better nature than some of them.

As an aside, I actually think letting that 'radical' cleric in to talk may actually do some good, and I can see also that someone with those views should never set foot here. undecided.

hate to say it, but the cops have again killed an innocent and will get off under the circumstances, legalized murder. can't trust em I tell you. dont' take offense, peace.

 

Data, do you actually believe that ANY British PM would have gone against Bush? Also, leaving aside the Iraq war and purely hypothetically, should the fear of reprisals stop us from doing the right thing?

BTW, 6-8% of Mulims condoning the bombing could be looked at another way. I.e 92-96% are against it. I think we can all guess who suffers from the backlash? 6-8 % or 92-96%. One asian looking Brit feels very lucky to walk around Romford market at lunch time without being subjected to serious verbal abuse. I was unlucky twice last week.

 

hi Dev, I am not sure what the right thing is anymore. I am not in possession of all the facts upon iraq, yet without a doubt we were lied to and the insidious thing is, the truth has now become dissolved along with responsibility, I find that intensely disturbing, and that is why I so disdain the blair administration, as this spin has increased 100 fold with his advent.

I would tell bush to shove it, just like france did.

America went to war not to liberate iraqi people but to serve her own interests, that is all she does. its always 'the american people 'this and that, not all of us....she ain't interested in us or the rest of the world, sadly.

I will leave the discussion for a bit to allow others to share their thoughts....I don't wish to hog things...

 

Dev
Glass half full or half empty!

In the last few weeks I have seen some very worrying attitudes, on news groups, forums and such.
I think the extreme right wing groups will and do use events like thses to justify thier arguments. Unfortunatly when they do it so close to the events, when peoples shock is turning to anger, they gather momentum and followers.
Those people ignore the 6-8 /92-96% divide and use it as an excuse to hate all.

I can see bad times ahead if the situation continues with its current course. I hate to sound like doom and gloom, but i think we could be heading for strange and worrying times.

 

the Iraq war is little more than a coincidence. where were the suicide bombers when iran was fighting iraq? when saddam gassed the kurds? invaded kuwait? etc. etc. etc.

the only remotely justifiable 'terrorist' action by fundamentalists was the bombing of the uss cole in yemen - an attack against an actual figure of aggression. every attack since then then has been, to quote one newspaper 'a spectactular' designed to recruit more nutters.

suicide bombers are merely pawns in a political game. i have no comprehension what tips them over the edge but i and many others understand that it is rarely a decision they come to on their own.

this is the most puzzling part for me. many of these attackers leave the country, i believe, to study islamic law or somesuch and return maddened by the corruption and decadence of the west. they then decide to blow things up. why not just go back to the cosy muslim haven they aspire to create?

please understand that i am talking specifically about terrorists here and not condoning some sort of 'send them all back' policy.