Panorama - Should I Fight Back?

Interested to know if anyone who just watched that managed to do so without shouting some sort of abuse at the tv?

Muppets!

 

wife sent me next door.nando.

 

What did we miss ?

 

I only watched a bit before it got me angry. The bit about the 16 year old kid who, along with a group of other kids, were beating up a girl. A guy stepped in and they ran off but when he turned his back the kid ran back and punched him in the back of the neck, severing an artery and killing him. The worst bit was his dad and grandmother both saying it was the guys fault for stepping in. What hope is there if thats the attitude of his guardians. The kid was released after about 18 months. Then there was the other bit about the guy who's family were terrorised by a bunch of kids. He chased one in his van and collared him, then asked him to come and apologise to his family. He voluntarily got into his van and went with him back to the house where he apologised to the family. A couple of days later the guy was arrested and charged with kidnapping and assault. He went to prison for it.

I turned it off at that point and congratulated myself on choosing to live somewhere quiet where I never witness any such behaviour. I can't believe anyone would put up with living in some parts of this country. Some neighbourhoods need gassing.

 

Heavymental about summed it up.

The attitude of that kids family was unbelievable! Saying was his own fault for stepping in and they'd have done the same!!! Scum!

Not sure who the minister or top brass or whatever he was meant to be was. But he REALLY pissed me off when talking about the guy who went to prison for "kidnap". Seemed MOre interested in that than the fact the family had reported the behavious countless times with no action!

I like to think I'm the type who does step in when I can. It's got me close to getting a kicking a couple of times, and after seeing how little support you're likely to get for it....

 

Having seen how these situations seem to unfold I'd be very wary about stepping into a situation. It only takes a second for it all to go tits up and for you to end up getting a kicking, or worse. A bunch of lads bent on violence are not to be messed with, generally speaking. Although if I had a shotgun I think I'd be happier to wade in firing indiscriminately!

 

Jesus H Christ ! What the **** have we come too !

What can be done to attitudes like this ???

HM, thanks for filling me in.

 

What can be done? I dunno, but I don't imagine a Respect Agenda is going to do much! Theres something rotten in the state of GB and its deep rooted now.

 

I have alot of experience of this sort of thing, personally. I find it heart warming to read that you guys hold your views with such conviction, there is nothing more rewarding than putting someone elses wellfare before your own. I shall post a story here when I get home to my pc.

 

Just goes to highlight yet again, that the justice system in this country is just appalling, kids can get away with doing what the heck they like.

We are not protected if we defend ourselves, let alone if we even think about helping someone else out.

I'm glad I didn't watch it, the highlights they used to promote the program where enough to wind me up.

The world is certainly becoming "every man for themselves". A very sad state of affairs.

 

I arrested a guy (Raymond Brain of Portsmouth) for the theft of four cans of Co-op Superstrength Lager. I had difficulty getting him back in the store (was tired and working on my own), when I did get him inside the store one of the staff, a young lad, offered to help me and I accepted his kind offer. We took the man to the back of the store and the police were called. The man then said to me that he had a needle in his pocket and how I wouldn't like it if he stuck it in me. I believed him (he looked like a heroin user) so jumped on him and with a little further help from the lad got my handcuffs on him, when the police arrived they searched him and found 1 used and 5 unused needles in his trouser pockets. The man was remanded in Reading Youth Offenders and Remand Centre ( he was not a youth) and come the day of the trial I was told at the court that they had forgotton he was in custody and had not brought him to court. On the second arranged court date I arrived to be told that I should not have come as it was a pre-court hearing, they, the Crown Prosicution Service, then asked me to drop the charge of affray (he was charged with theft and affray) so that I would not have to turn up to court again. I explained that as far as I was concerned the man had tried to kill me and I wanted him to be prosicuted to the full extent of the law. That was the last I heard of that case, and this was in 2001. The lad who helped me was disiplined by the Co-op at the request of his manager for getting involved. I have many experiences like this and worse. The world is upside down to me. Always has been.

 

I stepped in last night.

I got punched for my efforts

 

I hope you are alright, no lasting marks?

 

None on me, thought a bit of a sore cheek. I'm sure they may have a few.

We were walking between clubs and two guys were having a go at two girls. They were shouting at anyone who looked over with threats of killing them. Nice lads.

We slowed our pace to make sure it was just arguing. Didn't even look at them but started saying they'd "kill" us.

Turned into a bit of an argument. The louder of the two got a bit too close for comfort so I pushed him back and told him to grow up. Punch. His mate caught me across the face. By the time I went to punch him back my mates had floored the pair of them.

One of the worst things about it was seeing people crowded round shouting for us to lay into them MOre and stamp them on the ground and such. Not my thing. They were tits and deserved a slap, but I'm glad I kept calm enough to not get carried away.

 

Well done MO. Seriously.

 

I'd like to echo Dev's words of praise. well done.

I doubt if I would have the courage to follow the example set by you and your friend not because I'm too old and frail but the part of the world round and about where I live has during the past week or so become the murder by gun capital of the country. Logic dictates that I have more chance of winning the lotto than suffering from gun crime but it is the distorted fear of becoming a victim that after a while eats away at the my general wellbeing and the thought that I should and indeed would step in and help when passing someone in need on the street.

It is the fear of crime that is almost as debilitating as being a victim of crime, just how sad is that? Never the less that is how it now is in some parts of the country and I fear it may well be quite a while before things change for the better.

 

most of the violence i've seen has had one cause - alchohol.
drunk and disorderly should have a stiffer sentence and society should attach a greater social stigma to drinkers. we've done it for smoking so it's possible.
all that's left then are the small %age of people who are natural twats. the police should be able to deal with them. but after 3 strikes they should have a permanent tatoo on their forehead giving anyone having a bad day to kick the crap out of them without any comeback from the law. hopefully they'll all realise that they can safely knock 2 bells out of each other and solve the problem themselves - perhaps in televised cage fights.

 

Perhaps the worst that's happened to when "stepping in", was when arriving home having been away for a couple of MOnths. On the train a guy in his 40's was being very abusive to MOst of the passengers and especially a pair of girls. He seemed MOre interested in trying to sell me drugs and get me to laugh along with him. The girls kept changing seats but he kept following them.
We all got off at the same stop and I thought I'd wait to make sure he left them alone. He walked about insulting everyone getting off the train for a while then went to piss in a hedge. I asked the girls if they were waiting for a lift or such, as I'd wait with them till either they'd got picked up, or he MOved on.

The reply.... "thanks but it's ok. That's my dad. Mum should be along to pick us up soon! Got a spare fag?"

:lol:

 

What a depressing story MO. What can you do when theres people like that about the place?

I believe that the way of things in France is that it is frowned upon to be seen to be drunk. So although the French drink alot you don't have the same problems of yobbishness and shouting that you get in Britain where being drunk is the norm, and encouraged to some extent.