I was starting to despair of this thread as the usual parties turned it into their usual computer semantic game of chess. Life is full of surprises and at last a response that really justifies it.

A person can only reflect their experience, and they can only reference that experience to themselves. This is at it should be. We exist as individual entities within a larger reality, call it a gestault if you wish. The individual is alway either in conflict or in support. Both of these create conflict and get in the way of reality, create wars - divorces etc. The larger reality is not word or concept driven it is a joining. I submit that when you are quiet (relaxed) then you join that, and in Hi-Fi terms that refers to those who are trying to communicate and influence you i.e. the composer and the musicians. You join them as you feel what they feel, you understand what the composer was trying to convey. These are emotional experiences, so by their very nature they are subjective!!!

When a system is technically correct but musically uninvolving then it stimulates the frontal lobe and you intellectualise the experience and you wish to intellectualise it with others, either because you are unhappy or that you wish to impose your happiness on others - human nature! Ultimately facile as it is illusion and it will change week by week and you get more confused or more beligerent depending on your personality. This it seems is the modus operandi of this group.

If however it is emotionally involving then you feel it, the mind goes quiet and peace or elation is the result, both just the yin and yang of the process. Both make you *tingle* and you don't (in fact, cannot) do anything else at the same time, as you are drawn *into* the music like a suction pulling you in. Time has no meaning, true meditation.

This *is* music, and the type means nothing, the reality is all that matters.

Richard