Lawrie - I hope you weren't trying to imply that any member of the forum who might be in the cable business (of which there are several) is using the forum as a sales tool.  Clearly, if someone makes cables they believe in them so they will defend that belief.

kermit - I agree we don't want an "if you don't like it, piss off" approach at all.  That's what I've been reacting against.  There has been a suggestion by some people that that's what ZG was when it started and that's how it should stay (ie, if you don't believe in cables, piss off).  As I mentioned a while ago, I think that the forum is currently pretty balanced in terms of believers/non-believers wheras before it was pretty much just believers.  IMO it's better to have a wide range of views allthough that will inevitably lead to more disagreements. 

joel - it would be an excellent idea to try and use this thread to create some ground rules.  Perhaps rule number one should be that posting on a thread just to ridicule the view of someone else, whatever the subject matter, should be "verboten".  By ridicule I would include all the little snide remarks and digs that I've seen recently, mostly from the cable believers I have to say (allthough many of the non-believers were major offenders earlier on).

Michael.