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Can't see any other reason you'd buy a BMW but I guess it takes all sorts.

The surprise would be if you had the balls to actually REACH third without feathering the brakes actually James

 

So would you agree that posting your opinion that they sound thin and are not worth the moneybased on this experience was, shall we say, a trifle misguided?

 

Another 165mm woofer going all the way to 100Hz, poor thing...

 

Merlin,

I feel you on to something here, see I feel there's a pattern emerging, Badge engineering, BWM, arrgance comes as standard indicators are optional, instant personality change, naim (can't quite see the connection but it must do something )
Maybe all bmw drivers should have to undergo a character evaluation seminar, before taking delivery of the keys? Sort of are you 'an arrganant enough bastard, to model Police shades & clean cut suits, have the latest flip camera phone, and most importantly show distain to other road users?' test. Failure to pass means being retricted to 125cc bright yellow bubble cars, with orange neons stated 'Failed Asshole'

 

Merlin, I've already posted the reasons why I want an M3. Pay attention!

FWIW, I think that Volvo, Mercedes, and, in particular, drivers of large 4x4s & white vans are the least considerate drivers on the roads these days.

BMW drivers won't say boo to a goose because of the dreadful reputation which has been projected onto them by envious onlookers.

 

But James,

don't they now do penis extentions on the NHS?, be a lot cheaper

 

Not entirely merlin, they could possibly sound less thin with better placement, but I really couldn't see what all the fuss was about and the build quality was shocking for a £12k speaker, chipboard cabinets, that I coulda knocked up in my garage for about £100 some nice wiring granted(I saw them with the backs off a coupla days before when the wiring was being fixed) and no doubt the crossover was pretty decently built, but I wouldn't expect to pay much over £1k for them, at least with the d100s you can see and feel the quality, of the build. FWIW i also heard the 125's and the 3.8's at L&C last year and ny opinion was the same.

Don't try and twist things Merlin as this is really only my opinion and as I have stated I am not very good at Describibng what I hear. I suggest you give the ART expression 3 ways a listen at some point and then we have a common reference.

But it aint gonna be much fun for you arguing with me go back to picking on antonio as he rises to the bait better

 

That will be me in my Jeep 4x4, how about the Lotus Elise ?

 

Hey Mr domestic harmony home cinema equidistant spacing, petulant, etc

What have I done to deserve your attack, all i have ever done is stand up for you when the wizardy one started to tear your hypothesis on subs and the like to shreds.

my system flawed though it is in your eyes (have you heard them?) is a 2 ch stereo high resolutuion Hi fidelity sound reproducing system, not some bastardised, compromised multi channel nonsense, like what you have.

If you want to argue about it bring it on, otherwise wait till Merlin stops his recent twisting with regard to my system and starts on you again , then reply otherwise stick a movie on it's the only thing 5'1 setups are good at.

 

When I had a Saab 9000, it was reversed into by a 4x4 driver who claimed not to have seen it!! The Saab is a reasonably large car, I would have thought?

These silly 4x4s have no place in an urban setting being as they are, agricultural machinery. They are driven by fashion victims who, in the main, can't control them properly.

 

FWIW i currently drive an A4 and havce had 3 series in the past, granted not the M3 or RS4, and yes at the limit the Beemer does have it in the driving stakes, but not by much, as each one of these in isolation are fantastic to drive over a chalenging road, and as for understeer, you can get a 3 series to understeer on a wet roubabout as well, but if you back off too sharply this then becomes lift off oversteer, but most of the beemer drivers, who prattle on about driveability, won't ever come close to reaching the cars limits, maybe if the are as good as they think they are then they might get to 7 10ths of the performance envelope on the road and rthen fear or lack of ability sets in, the differences between the A4 and the 3 are above this limit IMHO, so most aint even gonna notice the difference, If like James you use your car as a commuter tool, then it's more to do with Image and personal prefference, but for those that drive for a living, the Audi is the better car, handling may be slightly less good than 3 but the audi trounces BMW for comfort, build, good looks, equipment, ambiance, etc in otherwordsa better all rounder.

 

I spun my current Beemer on a wet roundabout on the way to work. Taught me that driving at the limit of adhesion is not always a good plan. Similarly, I don't play my ATCs at maximum volume.

It's more about having the performance in reserve, for effortlessness in everyday use.

 

HEY... picky, picky... after all you also rise to the bait quite easy...

Why would I attack you...

Obviously my comment was made at Merlin's attacks to my 165mm drivers and low xover, wich by the way are the same that WM's Meadowlarks use, as well as Merlin brand speakers... :JPS:

Now I am also petulant, I thought that was Merlin... :cry:

 

agree with your last statement James but would also include people carriers in that, what bugs me is that drivers of High vehicles (vans etc excluded as they need to be high, to do what they were designed for) all rattle on about how much safer it is as they get better view of the road, but 2 things, this height brings with it problems with centre of gravity, making the cars pretty sloopy handlers, they also guzzlwe more fuel (bigger frontal area) and just cause they can see better, anyone who's behind them in a proper car can see bugger all, as we can't see over them and we can't see through them, giving us little warning of impending doom further ahead in the traffic.

Oh and as to driven by fashion victims who can't control them. I would say that this applies to more than 90% of M3 drivers, and prolly a higher percentage of all BMW ownership, I have worked with people who look at company car list and seek out the BMW, one company I worked with only had one BMW on the ordinary reps list and a lot of reps (particularly young women) went for it, a billy bog standard 316 copmpact with no kit (radio cassette and no aircon, which is essential if you are driving about all day) just because it was a beemer, as to the front wheel drive nonsense, try a MINI, (also by BMW).

 

A misunderstanding on my part then, sorry.

 

I don't think it was an attack AK, more a sad attempt at irony from a forumite handicapped by Portuguese being his native tongue.

My point was simple. You have a high resolution, hifi setup with space detail and all the other audiophile paraphanalia. James has good old fashioned grunt, capable of driving the music along at high levels. You don't get that kind of bass from pathetic little semiwoofers operating from 80hz upwards - something lost on Columbus over there.

With regards to the Proacs, what can I say? The D100 & Future 2 are both built by Castle, using the same veneers and construction techniques. Open baffle can look ugly, but construction of the production units was excellent. All of which suggests your words reek more of your own waste product than wisdom!

James,

BMW's are for posers, simple as that. People with taste tend to look elsewhere when investigating modes of transport.

 

You are of course correct, but learn to exploit that handling balance and it can be a lot of fun, BTW have you ever been round the St Jame's interchange rounda bout sideways, your spinnig was a case in point prolly caused by lift off over steer or too early with the throttle, learn to modulate it james and it's grewat fun, geeze a shot of your car and i'll show you, but its better with the tc off as this cuts in too early and upsets the balance of the car.

 

Thought the build of the d100s was good, but the futures were not even in the same league, they really were veneer covered chipboard, and not to the quality i would expect of car priced speakers, they looked to be made of matrerial just a touch better than conti board, sound is subjective I agree but when it comes to the build quality thats easier to define and in the case of the futures, I would say they get away with the price due to the badge, if that reeks of my shite then so be it

Ps if you ever get a chance to listen to my system you will see that as well as the hifi attributes it also drives along very nice and grunty like, even with it's puny drivers, in a room the size that James has they may not drive as well, but then his speakers would be too big for my room. and Merlin you can have all the Hifi attributes and musicality, if you stopped measuring specs and started to listen you might find this out, oh and i believe you use a sophisticated equaliser thingy, why not just buy equipment that sounds good in the first place.

 

My car doesn't have traction control, just a slippery diff. I think the sudden lack of adhesion was due to diesel on the road, but I'm not sure. Scary, though.

I don't see how the 'poser' tag applies any more to a BMW driver than to any other high performance car driver. If that's what envious people like to think, however, then let 'em.

Front-wheel drive or four-wheel drive both inevitably corrupt the steering.

 

I wonder why your comments remind me of the tugs on the Sandokan books I used to read when I was young...