[Review] Getting animated

Correct. Unlike electromagnetic radiation (such as light), it is a series of compressions and rarefactions in the medium (it's actually faster through water).

It will, but remember that the propogation of sound takes place much faster than any wind - 760mph at sea level. The effect of the wind speed is therefore limited and difficulty in hearing has more to do with the noise generated by a wind than with the sound being "blown away", as it were. Remember too that the pattern of radiation of the sound is not absolutely linear, but radial.

Careful, the Doppler shift is a change in frequency, not in volume. It arises from the subtractive and additive effect of the speeds of the noise source and of the noise itself. What I meant by using Doppler here was that there is no perceived change in frequency on a windy day, merely difficulty in hearing. This is because you as a source are stationary (and you could never run fast enough to generate a perceptible Doppler shift). The wind noise from a head wind is perceptibly much louder, causing to have to shout much louder to make yourself heard.

I don't know that the prevailing wind has much of an influence in helping sound to carry. Just think; when doesa sound carry best? At night, when the volume of extraneous noise of all kinds is at its minimum.

 

none of which alters the fact that this box of stuff does something and no one knows why or how.

i'm totally prepared to believe it might just be a mains conditioner and that anything else is purely a product of not knowing how it works.

 

....and yet when demo'd at my place it was using a separate socket to my system......?

 

And at last we have it .....

if I'm not read tones post in error .....

Tones has convinced himself that these things can't work and so of course they will not ...however big a difference there maybe he just will not hear it.....

So I respect his ability not to hear these ...perhaps he could offer me the same in return in my ability to hear these things, along with the cohort of other listeners who've been good enough to post there thoughts on this item.

I can't argue on the physics of sound propogation only that I've heard sounded carried much further downwind than would be expected.

Also those of you have traveled by hot air balloon will have noticed that sound on the ground beneath is clearly audible ie a dog barking etc can be heard at a greater height than the same lateral distance..[this is due to absorbtion and defraction of the ground ].

 

Pete, we're going round in circles here.

You know that request will be declined (true Tones?).

Thats why I say I don't altogether agree with our colleague.

Going to have to be live and let live??

 

That I believe these things can't work is certainly part of the equation. It's great, because it makes you immune to the charlatans and rogues who peddle these things. However, it is also clear objectively that they can't work, because there is no reason why they should. The whole business relies on people's belief and/or desire to hear - and perhaps even to believe that, in a world where we have less and less control over technology, we can control it just a bit. Manufacturers and magazines play on this element very strongly, and people swallow it. Perhaps I should replace the neighbour's cat with a snake oil merchant or three...

Can you show me where I have ever not done this?

 

False, David (see above). I have always respected what people say they hear and their right to enjoy and enhance their listening by whatever means takes their fancy. Our only difference is whether these alleged effects are actually there. I don't accept that they are. Moreover, in a spirit of scientific investigation, I have tried many things, without hearing any difference whatsoever.

To me, the message is clear; if you want your hi-fi to sound better, buy better hi-fi.

 

"To take the first one first. Wire is wire is wire. It has, objectively, precisely zero effect on the sound, unless it has some sort of absurd construction. The the only significant difference between lighting flex and exotic speaker cable is the price. "



"Can you show me where I have ever not done this?"


with respect, doesn't the top para sound a BIT like it?

 

I don't know how I've got caught up in this discussion!!

May I site an example?

Pete recently brought a cable to my place made out of Plalladium (hav ei got it right this time pete?).......uses expensive materials which I can ill afford.

I assure you I DIDN'T want to here a sonic improvement....and yet (I felt) I did!!

Perhpts you feel my subconcious was still playing tricks on me??

If you take that arguement a stage further, how do you know your own (presumably) high quality kit is sounding good......or would your subconcious be deceiving YOU....?

 

Why dont you guys go into churches, and tell people God doesnt exist, as it is cientifically impossible... :JPS:

 

I wouldn't dream of doing any such thing...religion is a very personal thing......(even more so than hifi)

I remain to be convined either way on that score....although as my Dad says if you beleive in the paranormal (whooops .....have i just shot my self in the foot ?) as to a degree I do....this does have a reigious/spiritual connetation whch perhapt should not be ignored entirely..

 

Surely it must be time to quote from a random webpage...

"When a wind is blowing there will always be a wind gradient. This is due to the layer of air next to the ground being stationary. A wind gradient results in sound waves propagating upwind being 'bent' upwards and those propagating downwind being 'bent' downwards."

more here:http://www.sfu.ca/sonic-studio/handbook/Sound_Propagation.html

 

I mean the scientists, non-believers...

 

Not even slightly, David. Disagreeing completely with someone's point of view does not mean that one lacks respect for their right to hold that point of view. It's classic Voltaire - "I disagree with what you say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it."

In any case, the first statement is fact. I respect people's opinions to close their minds to facts, but I have a right to say that that's what they're doing.

 

And since when is God capable of scientific investigation? In any case, is a hi-fi forum not a sort of church, as it is filled with unsubstantiated belief and devout believers? Hallelujah, brother Antonio!

 

And why not? I'll go and check out the wind gradients in my listening room right away...

 

Could be

Because, to my entirely subjective senses, it sounds good to me. Could it sound better? Perhaps. Do I care? No. Why not? Because I'm a music lover, not an audiophile. There's a big difference. We couldn't be bothered chasing that last little bit of fidelity. If I'm moaning along, waving my hands in the air conducting Gardiner and his merry (wo)men, that's all I need.

 

Audiophiles are more tolerant then religious people, thats why... :notworthy

 

Now that's the funniest comment we've had from you so far Antonio..

 

Tones I'm not going to bandy words with you .....the fact is you've chosen to tell people this unit does not do what is claimed

a/ on the tin ...as they say
b/ my listening result
c/ other peoples listening results

then you've the gall to claim you have not

so don't come the innocent.....

All the readers can quickly sort that one out just by reading through your posts.


As you say you can't hear these things ...which then begs the question why are you posting to this thread in the first place ?
...your looking suspiciously troll like

But you do have a the right to post your opinion, which is noted ...

But you don't have the right to thrust your views down peoples throats as "gospel" when it plainly flys in the face of all the hands on experience ...

Some of these people who have posted to express there opinions were as sceptical as you [ may be more so ]. I've told you I was ... But the difference is they have open minds and though there is no obvious scientific reason why it does what it does they have put there hands up and said ..yes it has an effect

May be if you were to accept for a moment[suspend your disbelief] that this might just do whats claimed, you could then perhaps postulate how the thing does what it does.....rather than reverting to dogma.