Sad story I'm afraid.....

Jackie Smith is an a***

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/jul/06/knifecrime.ukcrime1

 

cooky, I'm not blind to the fact that this country seems to have a major epidemic knife crime problem.

I'm a little unsure that the fcat that is "on;ly a dumb animal" actaually makes the crime any more pallateble. For me it makes it significanly less so.

1) the animal as i understand it was taken by surprise from behind (so stood litle chance from the beginning)

2) there were three young people to over power a f*****g 1 year old tabby ( excuse me).

3) You say "only"...so the cat isn't entitled to protection for crruelty.......because its "dumb" or without adult intelligence??? Interetsing theory.

4) The cat will have been fully aware that it was fighting for its life whist trying to swim to safety......Christ knows the distress caused in its last few minutes....i don't think it was too "dumb " too know that.

 

Oh for heavens sake! Two words in my post; relatively and 'fortunately' (note the inverted comas)

 

"'fortunately' it was only a dumb animal"

...is most cetainly not an expression I would have used.

 

....and not a person.
It really isn't difficult to grasp the tenor of my post, the despair felt at such daily cruelty, that these yobs could just as easily throw a person into the Thames to drown instead without a second thought.
I put human life above that of a cat-sorry if that upsets you but there it is.

 

So would I and suspect most people. This does not mean that either Cooky or I are not shocked by such abuse.

I don't see what point you are trying to make David. Strictly speaking, ANY animal is dumber than a human being. Although I have to wonder sometimes when I see the behaviour of some people.

 

you really surprise me dev

Needless to say

but is the life...and suffering......therefore less important?

never mind!






I suspect enough has been said

 

David, I think you've missed Cooky's point.

 

Agreed. Maybe re-read it David?

 

wearing any leather gear? or any thing that any one has or uses that are not made from animals? please remit with honesty, ....glass house and stones do not mix
nando

 

agreed

 

& understand cooky's point/sentiment, but I stand by my MRSA example, just because there are worse things, doesn't demote this.

I agree that there are horrible crimes committed daily. All life is important and I sometimes fear that the media only get outraged at crimes against very old or very young - so if you are a man in your 40s and someone thinks it is 'good sport' to kick you to death, that isn't news because you were not a frail 80 year old or a defenceless toddler ......

If a seperate discussion was to be had on knife crime or the apparent lack of value placed upon human life by many in society, I am sure David would be happen to add his views. I just (and I think David too) don't see the relevance in this particular dicussion.

I am prepared to accept you may think differently though and respect alternative opinions as I am sure you will mine also.

 

Hi Samantha, I cannot disagree with any of your points.

 

Where is the evidence for that statement?-there isn't one shred.

I find it even more depressing to think some people can't see the relevance and the direct connection between these kind of events.
I'm sorry, but these things happened in the same city on the same weekend perpetrated by the same kind amoral scum.If you wish to obscess over the death of the cat while there's a couple of teenage corpses in a morgue somewhere then that's your choice-my humanity wont allow me.

 

Gun held to the head of your nearest and dearest....

Trigger will be pulled unless you either throw a cat over the side of a boat, or murder a couple of french dudes.

Your choice?

I'm an animal loving, vegetarian type....

...I know I'd be drop kicking that cat in an instant though.

 

tough call, MO!

 

Cooky - why ask for evidence when my statement was "I sometimes fear that....." I cannot provide evidence of what I do or do not sometime fear. Lol

No obsessing is going on either. It is just that I don't see the subjects as being part of the same discussion. You obviously do think they are part and parcel and as I say, I will agree to disagree. No point going round in circles.

 

So it is a completely irrational and made up figment of your imagination-ie has no basis in reality ergo not a shred of evidence, the whole scenario is a fabrication and the media is in fact doing no such thing-you just sometimes fear it is lol.

 

No, I never said irrational nor imagination .... I made the statement that "I sometimes fear that" and you asked "Where is the evidence in that statement".
I found that amusing as clearly you cannot provide evidence of such things.
The media does seem to wind some sections of society into a frenzy over whatever is flavour of the month, and people are easier to get outraged when it is a little old lady or a child. And of course crimes against those are horrid and it is unthinkable that people can do the things they do. But it would hurt both you and I if we were victims of a horrid crime, but we would not be front page, whipping up a frensy, news (unless it was horrid to a whole new level). I don't think that is fabrication. Yet I also don't think that either you or I are worth less because we have lived longer or shorter than the octagenarian or infant.

 

What you describe isn't taking place, take the Newlove murder in Warrington for example(evidence)

Lets call it a day-I think we can at least agree that world has gone to s**t.