Some Silly Science for you

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    technobear Ursine Audiophile

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    Gosh! I had never stopped to wonder why gold was such a good conductor but now that I know, I feel all warm and snuggly inside :D

    Cheers!
     
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    Er, size isn't everything. :eek: :eek:
     
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    "nucleous"...hehe
    can I have mine smeared in "huile de serpent" please.....
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    How is 'the ease at which the electron can be taken away from the atom' not conductivity?:confused:
     
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    Check out:
    CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics
    it might help them.....
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    ah the old "empirical" vs "theoretical" argument - if you have results quote em......
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    Interesting stuff, but codswallop as usual with cable related 'science'.

    Not that I'm a cable sceptic or anything ;)

    Rob.
     
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    Because the ease with which the electron can be taken away from the atom is the ionisation energy, which isn't the same thing. Following their "theory" through to its logical conclusion, we should all be using rubidium or cesium in our speaker cables (potassium, obviously, is for the What Hifi? reading masses, and you wouldn't use sodium for anything except mini systems).

    Actually, the contribution of electron pairing energy is to make it easier, not harder, to ionise an atom. Not that reality has any place in this discussion, obviously.

    Incidentally, not only are the things they're saying completely irrelevant to the subject of signal transmission, they haven't even bothered to get their facts right - it's actually substantially easier to remove an electron from silver than from gold.
     
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    Doesn't that relate back to the number of e's in each layer though? Gold has more layers than silver and more e's per layer making it easier to take the free e from silver (as you said). Not that chemistry was ever my strong point :)
     
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    I've been experimenting with silver/gold ic's some of you will know and some may have one!

    The thing is they sound fantastic [in my implimentation of mixed metal conductors] they have the clarity and speed of silver and the full bodied sound of copper with out all the draw backs.

    The're a pig to make, and the materials are very expensive .

    As to the science I've no idea....strictly speaking with conventional ideas the sound should be poor, but its not.

    A pair of my AgAu's have recently equalled some very and I mean very expensive BR rare earths [cryoed silver bullet etc] ic, much to my supprise.

    If anyone can shed any light on this ?
     
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    Well that was really the only thing I found funny about it. I can't say if they sound better or not. It just seems unfair to say that as an explanation!

    Don’t the actual electrons only move through the cable at a very slow speed anyway?

    I hope this is not another long cable debate, I just thought it might give you a giggle.
     
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    Hang on .............let me go and ask some !
     
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    There refusing to speak to me ...


    ....bit like my wife sometimes !
     
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    You just have lazy electrons.
     
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    It does kind of and up to a point, but eventually it gets a bit more complicated than that. Normally you expect the outer electron to be easier to remove if there are more layers between it and the nucleus - there are a number of reasons why this doesn't work for gold vs. silver, of which probably the simplest (!) has to do with the relativistic mass increase associated with the extremely high speed of electrons orbiting heavy atoms like gold.

    Regardless of the hows and whys, these people could at least have made the effort to Google for the relative ease of removing electrons from silver vs. gold before they spouted all that nonsense, but then I guess they're too busy selling cables to worry about anything so mundane as physical facts. ;)
     
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    "If anyone can shed any light on this ?"

    Yes. You're a suggestible person who is prone to experimenter expectancy. In particular the correlation of material aesthetics ("speed of silver" "full bodied sound of copper") with that of subjective sound.

    Further to describe your interconnects as "my AgAu's" demonstrates emotional involvement with or attachment to your 'invention'. This is not uncommon - but hardly makes it a "surprise" that you think they "sound fantastic".

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Mosfet ...



    Go read the rules about bringing your sad little, and pathetic arguement across forums.
     
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    As for your other comments you have the right to express YOUR views and opinions. I shall of course ignore them as will all the current users of the cable your bad mouthing
     
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