Speaker cable for detail and bass at low volumes

You've heard it but you didn't notice.

 

nsherin,

it may be possible that you're looking for something impossible. Basically, the ear's sensitivity for bass, mid and treble sounds varies with soundpressure levels. That means a system which sounds well-balanced at medium volume will sound bass- and treble-shy at very low volume, no matter what the cable, amp, support or speaker used.

Do a google on Fletcher-Munson-curves for a more detailed overview. It's the reason the Loudness button was invented: basically, Loudness buttons introduced a filter into the signal path to cut down middle frequencies, which left bass and treble elevated. At low levels, this combined with the ear's altered sensitivity to give a perceived flat balance again.

 

James, while I admire your persistance They're are, far more 'inhriently superior systems' out there that are awfuly good at every thing, but still not 'right' but does it matter, to the person concerned, however I have noticed a some what alarming trend from those who constantly seeking self assurance about their purchases, I find this most disturbing and, feel the need for professional help for these indivduals would be a benefical process which to undergo, and my help them with some underlying physcological problem, thats been deep rooted for a long time, such as self esteam problems, a fixation with money, a pure hated of anyone doing well, this would be an ideal place for a Trick cyclist convention. WM

 

Are you trying to tell me that I have psychological problems?

Bloody cheek.

Tony, I find it amusing that you didn't get on with my system.

 

James, did I point a finger at your in the above post? , however if the cap fits don't let me stop you from wearing it.

James, I find you amusing too sir, and I do believe you have just answered your own above question too

 

james,
surely your use of mana to modify the sound of your system is similar to the use of different cables by someone else. your assertion that they should forget about cables and get a better amp could quite easily be levelled at the multiple levels of mana you have in your listening space.
i'm not opposed to either method of getting the sound you want, being of a 'if it works for you then that's ok' persuasion. however telling someone that mana is something they have to try whilst cable swapping is bollocks is a tad hypocritical - mind you as an MD you did take the hypocritic oath didn;t you .

cheers


julian

 

Tony, I assumed the remarks were aimed at me because they was prefaced by my name. If I do have any such problems, they are not of the 'inadequacy' kind. More the reverse: I'm insufferably arrogant like most consultants.

Julian, Mana is not a 'tone control', it is a vibration remover. What you are left with is the boxes performing at their best without microphonic effects added in. If you are not pleased with what the boxes achieve when they are performing optimally, then that is the time for a box change. Some boxes are simply not up to the job.

Good-quality cables can easily be obtained at reasonable cost. Expensive cables are a way of separating fools and money.

 

Cheers for the suggestions everyone. I'm going to try out some cables in the £5 - £7 price bracket and see where I go from there.

Currently use MDR-CD480 cans as well, which I'm pretty happy with and have no real plans to change.

 

james,
mana changes the way a system sounds. cables change the way a system sounds. the only difference is if you like the result or not.

i've found that mana has the effect of exaggerating treble. i've also heard cables which do the same thing. all imho of course
cheers

julian

 

Mana does not exaggerate treble, Julian, your opinion is rightfully humble in this case. You need to try it in your own system at home if you haven't already

When Paul Ranson visited, he was interested to know whether my arm lead cable (Naim Aro) was microphonic, as his (different cable) is audibly microphonic when tapped. Mine isn't. At the time, I assumed that this was a cable effect, but the more I think about it, the more I think that it may well be because my cable is travelling from phase 8 (TT) to 7 (pre). Mana stands reject feedback.

 

Bub,

are you taking the piss? If not, would you please think this through again. This is such blatant nonsense that I can't believe you hit the send button with it.

 

What is 'such blatant nonsense'?

 

I have to laugh at you satan boy.

You will quickly dismiss the use of cables to tune a system, but at the same time will force everyone to listen time and time again about your drivel about some friggen hifi stand. Stop acting like a broken record and preaching this crap all the time.

In terms of "snake oil" mana is most definetly in the same league as any cable.

 

How could Mana prevent a microphonic cable from emitting noise when that cable is tapped? Mana may or may not insulate the cable from floor-transmitted vibrations, and could conceivably even lessen the impact of microphony by channeling vibrations which have their origin in sound pressure variations (the original concept of microphony) away from the cable, but a direct tap on the cable would be audible, if the cable was microphonic, whether the component the cable is attached to sits on Mana or not. Mana can't prevent the tap itself.

Frankly, Paul's cable must be either shoddy or defective.

 

The noise is possibly generated from vibration in the cable / box interface. All I am reporting is what happened.

PBirkett, don't knock it if you haven't tried it. I've done cable dems, have you tried Mana?

 

We seem to have this discussion every few months......someone asks a question
and bub/devil/james etal, hijaks the thread why not for once answer the question asked ?

 

garyi gave the correct answer to the question on page 1.

 

i gotta admit, the idea of mana stopping cable microphonics is ludicrous BS
for it to vibrate and cause the effect, it has to vibrate, thus creating an electrical signal, this would be done in the cable before it or any of its supports are on in contact with mana. so the only other explaination would be that mana stops some electrical signals, there fore not letting the whole signal through, therefore mana is crap

and before you say it, yes i have tried mana. no it didnt work, yes it is a placebo.

Devil, James whatever, please please stop the antagonistic mana zealot stuff. It leaves a bitter taste.
Just because we dont all fall for it, or it doesnt work in our system there is no reason for you to harp on about it and tell us we are deaf stupid or dont understand etc...

for chrisake, this thread was started by an innocent guy asking for cable advice, if you dont have advice about a cable then keep out.

phew, off my chest!

 

james,
i haven't heard mana in my own system but i did hear it in a fully naimed lp12, avondale, brik system at phase god knows (4 i think). on some records it was marvelous but the overriding impression i got from the system was one of being very harsh. you're right though i perhaps should try it in my kit.

my point was that no matter the mechanism behind the alteration in sound, there is an alteration going on from some notional nominal state.

in this context cables and mana perform the same function - i.e. to change the sound of a system. you happen to like the sound that mana brings with it. other like the sound of isolda or omiga or qed or naim cables in their system. both aproaches are equally valid.

cheers

julian

 

I have one of those 3D seismic sinks, which I bought after it recommended to me by members of the old groovehandle forum. It had a very appreciable and positive effect on my system.

I however don't feel the need to harp on about it in non-related threads.

capisce?
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