Jeez! Just noticed this on ebay These are a stonking bargain, as long as drivers are OK. If you have some space. But as with my 15 DMTS they are designed to go close to a wall (even attached) and work in smaller spaces than they should. Very well regarded after in Japan, 98 dbl sensitivity so often used with SET amps and active tube xovers. But IMO needs amps with heavy iron. Wow. edit link removed :cool: