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julian

i read your post with much interest. my reponses are in italics

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julian - us parents should stick together , mine's 2 and nearly a half. your's?

as for implimenting the system i suggested - i'm sure i outlined something earlier in this or another thread but here goes again.

1) cut standard child benefit by 1/2.

julian -my view is that CB is too poultry for any 'cut' to have any behaviorable effect, besides which why on earth would anybody want to do it?2)

have free parenting classes which if attended and passed will increase the benefit given.

julian - too expensive to implement.control,monitor tec.

3) make sure the parenting classes are repeated every 5 years with different content relevant to the childs age.

J- ditto

4) the course must be completed and passed for each child in order for full benefits.

j- tempted just to say 'ditto' but what do think happens to the kids whose parents dpn't pass?5)

if a child misbehaves and a teacher / police officer is involved then part of the benefit is stopped until the parent is working in co-operating with the relevant agency to fix the problem.

j- so kids in trouble become poorer kids in trouble

6) increase full benefits to twice (or more) what they are now.

j-not sure what you mean here

all in all a positive feedback system rather than a negative one.

j- not really, an ilfounded and unworkable system

hopefully this will educate and encourage good parenting and allow a parent to not be torn between a job and their kids.

j- i think that your ideas would deprive those of help that need it most

the other thing i'd like to see is reform of the family court system - especially towards fathers and grandparents however that's another (although not entirely unrelated) subject.

j - agreed

anyway reading some of the later posts has led me to this moral dilemma question.
if your 12 year old was determined to have sex and there was no way you could talk them out of it, would you

1) ground them, only to have them sneak out of the house to have unprotected sex in the back of a car.

ask me in 10 years - ouch

2) agree to let them have sex in the house on the condition that a condom is used.

can't think about that right now
cheers

John in italics
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<blockquote data-quote="johnhunt" data-source="post: 605891" data-attributes="member: 1077">juliani read your post with much interest. my reponses are in italics.julian&nbsp; - us parents should stick together , mine's 2 and nearly a half. your's? &nbsp;as for implimenting the system i suggested - i'm sure i outlined something earlier in this or another thread but here goes again.1) cut standard child benefit by 1/2.julian -my view is that CB is too poultry for any 'cut' to have any behaviorable effect, besides which why on earth would anybody want to do it?2) have free parenting classes which if attended and passed will increase the benefit given.julian - too expensive to implement.control,monitor tec.&nbsp; 3) make sure the parenting classes are repeated every 5 years with different content relevant to the childs age.J- ditto4) the course must be completed and passed for each child in order for full benefits.j- tempted just to say 'ditto' but what do think happens to the kids whose parents dpn't pass?5) if a child misbehaves and a teacher / police officer is involved then part of the benefit is stopped until the parent is working in co-operating with the relevant agency to fix the problem.j- so kids in trouble become poorer kids&nbsp; in trouble6) increase full benefits to twice (or more) what they are now.j-not sure what you mean here all in all a positive feedback system rather than a negative one.j- not really, an ilfounded and unworkable systemhopefully this will educate and encourage good parenting and allow a parent to not be torn between a job and their kids.j- i think that your ideas would deprive those of help that need it most &nbsp;the other thing i'd like to see is reform of the family court system - especially towards fathers and grandparents however that's another (although not entirely unrelated) subject.j - agreedanyway reading some of the later posts has led me to this moral dilemma question.if your 12 year old was determined to have sex and there was no way you could talk them out of it, would you 1) ground them, only to have them sneak out of the house to have unprotected sex in the back of a car.ask me in 10 years - ouch2) agree to let them have sex in the house on the condition that a condom is used.can't think about that right nowcheersJohn in italics__________________-------------------------------------------------------------------Life is but a dream.... shaboom.My Kit -------------------------------------------------------------------</blockquote>

[QUOTE="johnhunt, post: 605891, member: 1077"] julian i read your post with much interest. my reponses are in [I]italics[/I] . [I]julian - us parents should stick together , mine's 2 and nearly a half. your's? [/I] as for implimenting the system i suggested - i'm sure i outlined something earlier in this or another thread but here goes again. 1) cut standard child benefit by 1/2. [I]julian -my view is that CB is too poultry for any 'cut' to have any behaviorable effect, besides which why on earth would anybody want to do it?[/I]2) have free parenting classes which if attended and passed will increase the benefit given. [I]julian - too expensive to implement.control,monitor tec. [/I] 3) make sure the parenting classes are repeated every 5 years with different content relevant to the childs age. [I]J- ditto[/I] 4) the course must be completed and passed for each child in order for full benefits. [I]j- tempted just to say 'ditto' but what do think happens to the kids whose parents dpn't pass?[/I]5) if a child misbehaves and a teacher / police officer is involved then part of the benefit is stopped until the parent is working in co-operating with the relevant agency to fix the problem. [I]j- so kids in trouble become poorer kids in trouble[/I] 6) increase full benefits to twice (or more) what they are now. [I]j-not sure what you mean here [/I] all in all a positive feedback system rather than a negative one. [I]j- not really, an ilfounded and unworkable system[/I] hopefully this will educate and encourage good parenting and allow a parent to not be torn between a job and their kids. j[I]- i think that your ideas would deprive those of help that need it most [/I] the other thing i'd like to see is reform of the family court system - especially towards fathers and grandparents however that's another (although not entirely unrelated) subject. [I]j - agreed[/I] anyway reading some of the later posts has led me to this moral dilemma question. if your 12 year old was determined to have sex and there was no way you could talk them out of it, would you 1) ground them, only to have them sneak out of the house to have unprotected sex in the back of a car. [I]ask me in 10 years - ouch[/I] 2) agree to let them have sex in the house on the condition that a condom is used. [I]can't think about that right now[/I] cheers John in [I]italics[/I] __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is but a dream.... shaboom. My Kit ------------------------------------------------------------------- [/QUOTE]

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