The Beldini Clarifier

I'm sure if someone suggested sponge cake as a support he'd try it...


only joking pete!

 

Why not ask Beldini, houdini or whoever. I'm sure they must have had to do that during their extensive objective research into their product

 

I know you are only joking but surely anything is worth a try ?
maybe not sponge cake or hand cream (why not just use cd labels? )

I can't understand these people who won't have a go, I suppose if you are happy with your system then why change it ?

I am never fully happy and have to tweak everything from cars to computers.

(I have a ford Anglia with a focus engine in the back and a computer with a radiator and a pond pump in it, for instance)


..... goes to find dog to try him as an isolation platform..

 

Dean,

Speaking personally, I have given it a go in the past - many times. And in past lives I would have been firmly on the other side of this circular argument. I learnt just what a total waste of time and energy it is in reality, although I accept some form of placebo effect may well be of use to those in need of such support.

Tweaking as a hobby and passtime is all very well and good, but tweaking as a means to an end? No. You are far better off spending that time increasing your appreciation of music.

 

I don't know about that, there is always room for improvement.
going back to the car it used to just about do 60 mph, now it gets there in just over 4 seconds, it cost maybe £15,000 to do, but to get a car to go that fast from the factory it would cost maybe three times that, or more.

so my point is you can get a high spec "whatever" by bodging and putting things into or on it that shouldn't be there, it may not look as pretty but it will do basically the same thing, and cost less.

plus you are in effect tweaking the system by just changing a cd player for instance, it changes the sound of the system right? then why cant changing wires or electronic components, enclosures, supports etc do the same ?

 

There is surely a tweaking hierarchy:

Stage 1. Does not and will not tweak under any circumstances, because:

a) Is fully happy with current system
b) has tried tweaking in the past but now regards it as a waste of time
c) is just plain lazy
d) any combination of the above


Stage 2. Will do ‘reasonable’ tweaking, including:

a) Different types of isolation/supports
b) Mains purifiers/filters/fancy mains
c) Some swapping about of cables

Stage 3 Will try all the above, plus any other sort of tweak, including, but not limited to:

a) CD lathes
b) Green felt tip pens on edge of CDs
c) Strange boxes with blue LEDs
d) Handcream on CDs

Those in stage 1 can sort-of understand those in stage 2, as can those in stage 3, but stages 1 and 3 can only look at each other in amazement, possibly tapping the side of their head knowingly.

 

I don't know. Ask the scientific community. They can probably explain it better than I.

You can measure the improvements in the car, although the depreciation on the factory built alternative will be considebly less than on your geezered up hot rod.

 

many a true word ...as they say ..I'm using sponge under my speakers rather than spikes !

I was thinking what tweaks I've tried that didn't work for me....

pneumatic isolation
cryogenic cables
90% of cd wipes
biwiring
magic bricks
shikati stones
smart peebles
kontact [deoxite works]
blue leds in cdp [shining on the disc]
electret foils
other pwb things [paper under chair legs]
that flashing light treatment for cd's
tact room treatment
sorbthane feet...[just don't like the sound]
silver plated copper cables ...excruciating
tin foil round cables
ferrite rings
there are many others that don't spring to mind

I tried all these in my own system either they don't have any effect or make the sound worse......

so up your's..... garyi [meant in the best possible way...]

now if I come across something that works ..I try to pass it on..or in this case where I feel it ought to have worked and ask for assistance.

 

Tweaking does actually increase your apprecation for music!!

 

exactly......

 

Honestly? How exactly?

 

ah....

wondered if that would produce a response....

...simply because as the reolution/dynamices of your system improve you hear more realism from the music.

ie each instrument is more clearly defined ...

Does that not make sense?

 

Its horses for courses SM

I have a fascination for the physics of what I do.....and get a lot of satisfaction out of the results.....

......but clearly not everybodies cup of tea.

If you have a crackiing system that does everything you want...Gods speed to you.

 

Just wondered how many of the tweakiest of tweakers would spend considerable time listening to really badly recorded (and even deliberately badly recorded) music.

like this for example

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Release-Sta...538214?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1184944284&sr=8-10

 

you might think so but maybe not I'd bet you would lose 15 grand easy in a year on a £45,000 car so in effect mine was free.

it is hardly geezered up it is a 1962 anglia, from the outside it looks standard, it has no stereo etc, it is really just a hillclimb car to be honest.
but I know what you mean I hate the "max power" type car you see around.

some would say you can measure a tweak by ear alone, if you can then all the better, we shouldn't really care how or why, I do
but I don't say it doesn't work just because I don't understand it.

 

you don't like it much then.

I much prefer poses.

 

it's a fine line tho - while for some people that maybe the case - for others they continually listen to the system rather than the music...

 

no, I think it's great. It's just deliberately badly recorded.

 

If you are going to snipe please try and and make it better.
Your remark has a very very low snipeability factor I have scored you 1.4. This is one of the lowest Ive seen on zerogain.

This score of 1.4 is in contrast to the quite formidable tweekability quotient of this thread - The orig idea a great tweek started Zanash and built on by others - For this I have given him a tweek score of 9.4. In an ideal balanced thread the "snipe score" and the "tweek score" need to match up- The closer the scores match and the higher the combined score is the longer the thread is likely to run - Please try and keep up.

Bottleneck your current offical snipe score is 1.4
I will be happy to help you improve - By marking your next snipe for you free of charge.

If anyone whats to build on the idea of a marking system please feel free - Its all about continual improvement In Music systems and also thread quality.

Remember to score well snipes need to have a proper reason attached to them, idealy something that is easily measurable - Words like Delusional are not easy to measure. Stupid, Idiot, moron or imbecile are measureable as they relate directly to IQ levels of individuals - However they are not accurate and diffficult to verify.
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If this seems a little like a snipe to you - Please can someone mark it for me?

 

snipe score 1.3

you're not beating me!



nb
no snipe intended, just I mentally stereotype tweakers as people who obsess over irrelevancies. Like any stereotype it obviously is true only in part and in some cases.