The effect of vibration on the music playing system or

......what a rude forum!!

 

You seem like a nice chap and I have no animosity towards you at all, but if you're selling this stuff, you're in business.

-- Ian

 

Thanks...at least for that.


I make them, as and when I have the energy (which is all too infrequently), for those who want to give them a go.....

...that hardly constitutes a business ...IMO anyway.

 

Well said Robbo. Totally agree with you and Ian (sideshowbob)

Michael.

 

Zanash

Big joke .....you had the chance but not one of you returned the forms unlike the other eight people.

So stop bad mouthing people and get a few fact correct.

The form is still up on the thread in the trade section ...feel free to copy it and then post it on to me. If you send it signed for everyone will be able to track it ......

seems to contradict


Well everyone who returned the acceptance form has now had a set of cables ....those of you who couldn't be bothered will obviously not be considered in any future testing.




What is the current position of Black Kat cable testing department?

 

Gentlemen ,

thinking about this;

1) I have not advertised my cones on this forum at all...its only because the subject came up inconnection with Petes "vibration" thread that I let slip the fact that I have sold a few.

Otherwise the only connection I have had with forum members has been interested parties have appproached ME.

So I beleive that arguement is a non-starter.








2) Anybody can do them?

"Anybody" is welcome to try!

Feel free!

 

Just look at the above two posts (from the first page of this thread). Two tweakery salespeople involved in a bit of mutual back-slapping and product hyping. The forum equivalent of an infomercial.

Michael.

 

I think if you look back through the threads that DavidF has contributed to, I would hope you notice he isn't trying to force anyone into buying anything. He has an opinion which is shared by many others who have tried his (and other members) solutions to vibration issues.
The advice he has offered (for free) can either be acknowledged or ignored.

 

Thankyou.

 

Right, Michael, lets sort out those links you asked for.

I trust this isn't going to be interpreted as hard sell; SM (if you look through this thread) asked me for the eveidence I ahve been working on that vibration management is an avenue worth considering.

 

There are a few experiments in here.....I was looking at them late last night, to tired to inetpret them accurately

http://www.solid-tech.net/


http://www.audioconnect.com/html/vibration_control.html

http://www.audiofederation.com/blog/archives/9

http://www.magnan.com/downloadfiles/ras.htm

http://audioenz.co.nz/2002/0802.html

http://www.widescreenreview.com/news_detail.php?id=12898


+ good old TNT

http://www.tnt-audio.com/accessories/vibra_iso_pt8_e.html

interesting:

http://www.audioexcellenceaz.com/townshendaudio.htm

http://www.silentrunningaudio.com/A...2-Ultimate-Vibration-Control-Lars-Fredell.htm


...there were more.....


anything to interest you in there, Mike?






.

 

Davids' cones do something. The cables Zanash makes, do something. I bought them. No measurements needed. Music like many things is capable of being measured with ones ears. I measured my P**** once. It is still the same P**** and the measuring did not enhance its' performance. I would not recommend using ears to measure a P****

 

thanks for that banpe .......

 

tweakers maybe, hardly salespeople

 

Sadly David none of those adverts offer anything to back up their claims. Exactly as I said, there is a big difference between proving that vibrations exist and proving that the elimination of them has an audible or indeed measurable affect on audio equipment.

Those links are pseudo scientific claptrap in the main - bullshit dressed up to look genuine to the gullible bystander. In short, classic snakeoil sales literature.

Let me quote just one paragraph of flowery prose that caught the eye

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

And to think people actually swallow this! To think I used to!

 

I'm not terrribly surprised by your reaction....fair enough.

There were tests done in the first link; frankly I haven't looked through them myself very hard.

NO, no scientific papers, I agree. Then again its unlikely I was going to find any .....I suppose unless you approach a univeristy
or similar.

Back to plan B...or was it "C" ...or "A"?

Your cones.

If you haven't been inmpresssed with cones before its a bit doubtful.........then?

Square 1 I guess.

We agree to disagree.











David

 

Yes, just read it through, what a pity they came out with this cr*p...


"Vibrations are caused by natural phenomena (wind, tide, waves, and distant earthquakes) and by myriad human activities such as traffic, pumps, compressors, trains, elevators, large crowds"


.........the rest looks plausible enough.



(but, no I can't definitively proove it! )

 

Go on DavidF organise a blind test. Either that or this crap will go round and round for ever. Who knows with your CDP there may be a case vibration from the mech that (by chance let's be honest) the cone thingys absorb. At least then you'll be able to say without doubt that your cones with your CDP have an effect and everyone can get stuffed.

 

Why don't you just try a set on your own system?

 

I haven't got a CDP !

I'm working on a suspended TT platform anyway. Probably won't do anything but it keeps me off the crackpipe.