The Formula One Season 2005

14 races to go....Alonso 34 points ahead of Schuie....Renault 40 points ahead of Ferrari....

Only time will tell....

 

I have.And agree with Bob.They were asked to empty the fuel and they didn't,hence why their lawyers have backed off.

And the race today was truly boring.

 

It has happened before in the 70's with Ferrari. Ferrari have by far the biggest budget so to say they will not be winning races by the end of the season is a big call. also we don't know if it is the Bridgestone's, they are poor at the start of the race but have you thought it may be the car?

 

This isn't relevant. It's also incorrect, unless you're asserting that the people who gave statements are all liars?

Max and co are depending on the technicality of the issue to obfuscate, although I don't think it's that hard to understand. Clearly it's all about the politics and I'd wager that at least half the cars that finished at Imola were illegal by the new definition. It would be nice to know how a car can be legal to the wording of the rules, legal to the previous practice of the rules, and suddenly the team are less than transparent and worthy of disqualification and a two race ban. It stinks.

F1 clearly needs new organisers, it has become progressively Mickey Mouse and ever more expensive, without providing any racing as compensation. It would be easy to fix, it just requires some leadership.

Paul

 

Its relevant in as much as they said the car was empty and it wasn't,so yes,they were either lying or incompetant,either way they screwed up and got punished,deservedly so.

 

http://195.147.246.45/BAR_FIA_Submission.pdf

Here is BAR submission to the FIA. Interesting reading. Could some one explain why Ferrari cars are not asked to drained off every thing from their fuel systems in the similar manner as BAR was asked to before being weight too?

 

Where's the evidence they said the car was 'empty' and what does 'empty' mean? You're accusing several people of lying.

Look at it another way, when your road car runs out of petrol would it be 'empty'? And would you expect to be able to find some fuel left in the system somewhere?

Paul

 

Hi Paul,

"They also say you cannot use fuel as ballast"

Not in the F1 rules.

As to the lawyers backing off their was little choice as the cost to F1 would have been far bigger. Look how the FIA have taken comments suggesting that an independent appeals court would be appropriate for F1! Just think how they would have taken it had someone taken them to court for something like this??

Ian

 

I think the FIA has done itself no favour at all with its reaction. It really makes the FIA principals look like idiots who have to resort to intimidation when someone raises a perfectly legitimate concern about its institutions.

The only explanation I have is that the FIA is nervous about the plans of the manufacturer group and fears that control is slipping away. The statements about BAR are libellous. The whole affair was badly handled by the FIA. If the aim was to draw Honda away from the other manufacturers and into the FIA camp, it has backfired spectacularly.

 

Fuel in the tank or system cannot meet the definition of ballast in the F1 rules, that would be a real stretch...

Fuel in the system and necessary to the correct functioning of the system isn't ballast and is part of the fuel system. Well it was up until San Marino. I assume every car that finished Spain weighed in at more than 605kg?

Check this bollocks out... http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Sport/2005/May/090505-01.html

Paul

 

Indeed. Looks like it really has pissed off the car manufacturers big time.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=24394

 

Hi Paul,

"Fuel in the system and necessary to the correct functioning of the system isn't ballast and is part of the fuel system. "

That is how the rules can and should be read.

"Well it was up until San Marino."

Yes.

"I assume every car that finished Spain weighed in at more than 605kg?"

With all fuel pumped out that would not have been the case.

In F1 all teams are running in grey areas. We wouldn't be doing our jobs if we werent'. Also we would not be competitive! If the FIA thought teams were taking the mickey then the technical delegate would have a quiet word with the team and by the next race it would be sorted. Now the interpretation of the rules have changed, I wonder why that has happened?

Ian

 

Having read the FIA release that Paul linked to above, I'm struggling to come up with anything coherent and/or constructive to say. Are the FIA now trying to bludgeon the manufacturers and so called G9 teams back to the fold? Just how far are they willing to interpret the rule/s around "do nothing “prejudicial to the image and dignity of Formula One racing†or “prejudicial to the interests of any competition or to the interests of motor sport generallyâ€Â."?

This tactic is either so stunningly brilliant that it is lost on me or it is representative of the FIA throwing a hissy fit.

Regards,

Stuart.

 

Given the latest threats http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=32771 seems the FIA is on a self destruct mission, threats like this will only strenghten the resolve of the manufacturers to set up their own series, Ferrari can continue to race on their own in F1. This is the type of infighting in which it is only the fans who will suffer.

 

That's rather the point. If you weigh in at the end of the race at less than 605 then with all fuel pumped out you are probably below 600 and therefore excluded. It's a shame that the FIA don't publish the recorded end of race weights, it would be interesting to see them rise between San Marino and Spain...

Paul

 

More bollox. Why wasn't this picked up before?

 

Looks like Mosely has said that Toyota's license cock-up was just an administrative error and "not fraud" so they'll probably be OK. I'd expect nothing more than a token fine.

Michael.

 

BMW buy Sauber

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4118472.stm

As rumoured for a few weeks now.

 

Will be interesting to see how quickly this evolves. For example, will this mean that BMW funds increased testing and development for Sauber this season? Perhaps they'll start running their third Friday car, which thus far they've not used due to cost.

Also be interesting to see where Williams goes from here. Will they want to continue with BMW next season? If not, where will they go? Customer Cosworth engines?

Fun Fun Fun

Stuart.