I didn't see any debate Tenson. You stated that all the valve amps you had experienced had too much distortion, to which I replied factually if a little curtly.

I am 42 years old and have been listening to hifi for more than half of that period. I have owned four valve amps, auditioned in excess of ten more at home, and heard numerous others at shows and at friends. Some exhibit the distortion you refer to, whilst others from the likes of Atmasphere, Berning, McIntosh and CAT offer nothing but outstanding transparency.

The figures back this up too. Most of these amps exhibit less than 0.2% THD across the spectrum when run as the should be (ie well inside their power envelope) and if you can hear that level of 2nd Harmonic, you are a better man than most. When asked to run at levels approaching clipping, the distortion increases and indeed this might be what you refer to. But firstly, that is an example of poor system setup, not of a poor amplifier, and secondly, the distortion is rarely worse than that generated by your loudspeakers anyway at those levels.

We met once and you seem like a very nice guy Tenson. But you also seem very young, and as such, are unlikely to have an enormous level of experience when it come to listening to various valve amplifier topologies. Do correct me if I am wrong.

Of course none of the above makes my opinion on the strengths of a particular amplifier any more valid than yours. But it does enable me to state that your view of valve amplification outlined earlier is flakey to say the least.