Markus - As I explained countless times before I said "I find them just a smidgeon the warm side of neutral". That means they are the merest shade too warm for what I consider to be neutral. Now lets move on from this long dead topic. The AUM prohibits bringing in arguments from other forums. This does appear to be an attempt to derail this thread based on old areas of disagreement. Let it lie.

Bub - you said the same thing when I critiqued the lp12. Now look where you are. I have a poor memory and this is sufficient to explain anything you think you may be observing.

Daryl - I mentioned nothing about phono stages. As a matter of fact I did use some with variable loading for exactly that purpose. The bryston is much more dynamic than the gamut though the gamut is sweeter. I found the gamut too constrained. Your experiences dont match mine as you have failed to consider that we listened to systems that differed in other respects. As a matter of fact I dont consider the Brinkmann EMT to be neutral - it is on the more brightly lit side. Have you heard this (compeltely reengineered) variant of the EMT?

I dont go a bundle on the Lyras I have heard. Thats my choice. I like a more analytical sound and I admit it. Get over it.