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    Nice views. I love Weardale and Northumberland. The last peaceful part of England. My mum is not far up the road from Tow law in Derwentside. [We even have our own river Derwent up there just to confuse the Midlanders]. I love that A68 drive. I will be just past Consett next weekend, doing the family/xmas thing. Mr Cat - are you from the NE originally?
     
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    yeah, thanks for that - I'm orginally from newcastle - lived mainly in the north east and in Tow law for about 18 month now - I actually live on the a68 as you leave Tow Law towards Consett!!
    amazing views from there too :D
     
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    Dear Cat

    Thanks for the fine photos, you have given the forum the possibility to share with you, not least the beautiful photos from Nyhavn in my native town. I would like to use them as wallpaper on my pc, but the resolution of your photos
    is unfortunately not high enough to avoid inadvert pixelization on my 17-inch screen. What a pity.

    Venlig hilsen
     
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    How about a few more links to peoples photo galleries on here...sure there are a few.
     
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    Nice pics Michael....just seen a E-10 for 300 notes on a classifieds site...worth it? Or am I better off with a more modern unit for the money?
     
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    some amazing pictures there - what camera did you use..??
     
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    Thanks :)

    Look more closely at the text on the web page and there's a little hint about the camera: "All photographs taken with an Olympus E-10 digital camera unless stated otherwise." ;)

    Heavymental, I don't know what the going rate for E-10s is these days - there are a couple on ePay for around 300 Euros (about GBP 210). IMO it'll blow a Nikon 5700 or Oly 5060 out of the water. OK, so it has "only" 4Mp but that's more than enough unless you want to make huge posters. It's a proper SLR (ie, you look through the lens) with a proper optical viewfinder which, coming from a 35mm SLR background was essential for me. I just can't live with electronic viewfinders. Unlike most SLRs though it doesn't have interchangeable lenses. The 35-140mm zoom is it. You can get various converter lenses to stick on the front to extend the range though. I've got the TCON-300b (3x teleconverter) which takes it upto 420mm telephoto and I've just ordered a WCON-8B (0.8x converter) from eBay which will take the wide-angle down to 28mm (from 35mm). All focal lengths are 35mm equivalents (the lens on the E-10 is actually a 9-36mm lens). Also, it doesn't have a moving mirror like most SLRs. Instead it has a half mirror which splits the light one way for the sensor and the other for the viewfinder. This makes it a very, very quiet camera in use (provided you turn the silly motor wind sound effects off :rolleyes: ). It also means, unlike other SLRs, that you can use the LCD as an electronic viewfinder which is useful sometimes, especially for candid shots as you can angle it upwards and hold the camera at waist level, looking down at the viewfinder rather like a Hasselblad, which makes it less obvious you're taking a picture.

    Bad points about the E-10 are:
    - it has quite a noisy sensor so using anything other than ISO80 equivalent is not advisable for great pictures. It only goes up to ISO 320 equivalent. So, basically, it needs a lot of light. However, I haven't ever found it to be a problem.
    - it's infuriatingly slow to look at pictures on the LCD in review mode.
    - as with all SLRs, it's relatively heavy and can be a bit of a PITA to carry around everywhere

    However, I see no reason to upgrade mine. It still does an excellent job. If you want to get into photography it would be an excellent buy IMO. For £2-300 you'll get a really quality digital SLR. If you were going the s/h route I'd look at a used Canon D30 aswell. Probably cost similar money and also a stunningly good camera. Again, "only" 3Mp but it will put most modern 6Mp cameras to shame.

    Michael.
     
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    ah, never noticed that..!

    HeavyMental - check this out - ebay
     
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    Not got ebay at work Mr Cat :( What price is it going for on ebay…presume the link is an E-10?
     
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    It's an E-10, in the UK. Looks mint to me. Currently at £100 (reserve not met) with 2 and a half days left on the auction and no bids.
     
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    yeah, what michael said...I may well be buying a new camera after the new year (sales and all that...)

    not sure what to look for, but have my eye on the Olympus C-765UZ

    but I'll check it out further when the time comes... ;)
     
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    Cheers Guys...might have a look to see what the going rate is. I'm keen for the one in the free ads as its only just down the road so probably won't bother with ebay as I'd prefer to buy it through some other channel.

    Sounds like a nice camera though and would teach me a thing or 2. I can see myself getting a 300d or other dslr sometime down the road when the current crop drop in price a little as I would like to print above A4 sometime soon. The E-10 seems like a good place to start for the money.

    Presumabley shutter lag isn't much of a problem on the E-10?
     
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    Correct - it's non-existent, just like a film SLR really. Also, turn on delay is only maybe, 2-3 seconds before you're ready to shoot.

    I don't think £300 is by any means an outrageous price. I've not printed above A4 from my E-10 but I'm sure A3 would still be fine. Even A2 would be fine with just a smidgeon of PhotoShop upsampling/interpolation to a bigger file that would be barely noticable.

    Michael.
     
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    Whoaa Macro focus range 20-60cm!? The models I'm looking at are around a couple of cm's. I'm keen on getting some Macro shots so this might rule out the E-10, Although some of the samples on the dpreview site look ok. Any experience Michael?
    Tom
     
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    You can get the MCON-35 Macro adapter (see here - site also has loads of info about the E-10), which makes the range about 12cm. Depends what you want it for. I've not used my Macro adapter for much - here's a (geeky) example:

    http://www.zerogain.com/hifi/images/p10.html

    btw, you'll see on that site I mentioned about the E-20. Avoid it. It's the successor to the E-10 and really the only difference is that it's 5mp instead of 4mp and they changed the software to make reviewing images on the LCD faster. However, writes to the CF card when taking pictures are MUCH slower, to the extent that many users who upgraded to an E-20 went back to using an E-10 as it was so much faster.

    Michael.
     
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    Cripes this has opened up a whole new can of worms...its only just clicked that Isaacs butterfly shot is on a D30 and looks great so I've been reading the reviews and considering the earlier range of dslrs.

    With the printing over A4 issues…I don't mind a grainy effect but it the pixelated effect that really turns me off. Would printing A3 from a D30 or E-10 look pretty bad in comparison to printing off the 5060 for example? I'm imagining it would?

    Tom
     
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    I haven't tried it but I reckon you could print A3 from a D30 or E-10 and get very good results with no pixellation. Even if you have to bump up the resolution a little artificially in PhotoShop it really won't show.

    Take a look at the picture below. It's un-resized image from my E-10 (processed in PS a bit). Look at it on your monitor at full size (100%) and the space it would occupy, if your monitor were big enough, is easily bigger than A3 and you can't see any pixellation at all.

    http://www.luacheia.com/misc_images/PB202323_ps.jpg (1.2Mb download)

    Michael.
     
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    Hmmm...
    E-10 in Jessops 2nd hand go for 349 in A1 condition
    D-30 go for 399 with basic lens. 379 body only.

    Thats the top of my budget really. But I am impressed by the quality of both these units. D30 looks nice to me atm.

    Isaac...what lenses do you use with your D30?
    Cat...sorry for hijacking your album thread!
    Michael...is it worth splitting this thread and adding the recent ones to my Digi camera thread if its straight forward?

    cheers
    Tom
     
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