Why do you visit audio forums?

I think you will find that I only promote my products within trade threads. Posting or starting threads about the LP12 on a forum is not spamming (read the definition), I know lots about the LP12 and when people ask for advice I give it. If I steer it towards my products then yes, that is spamming but I dont think you will find any examples. As Rob pointed out here someone being trade and promoting somthing connected with their business could be construed as promotion but it should not bar the poster from the post, or his opinion. Of course if one is trade and does not declare it then that muddies the water as one can be seen to be shilling all the time.
You may also take note of the old saying, 'its not what you say but how you say it'. People may be less likely to be rubbed up the wrong way if you did not use terms like 'rip off', 'insult' and 'crap' in 90% of posts. everyone gets hot under the collar, me included but you might just do well to consider that your viewpoint is just that, a viewpoint and not what some other people might think.
People (me) come to forums to learn things and chat with like minded individuals, not get involved in debates of who is right and who is wrong in black and white. It does not exist in hi-fi, IMHO, there is too much emotion and passion involved in listening to music for one way to be 100% correct.

 

I come to audio forums to watch amateurs cat fight and learn from their mistakes... ;-)

 

Surely a better description would be "to ascertain if any difference exists"? Your stance is that if it is obvious that a difference exists under sighted conditions, that difference must be present under blind conditions. Unfortunately, the evidence simply does not support your view. Pity.

And Richard, you DO have an agenda. You do not openly push NVA, but you push the design philosophy very, very hard indeed.

I have no particular problem with that. You are, after all in the trade, designing and flogging kit. You strongly believe in your philosophy. Some of us, however, think that much of it sails very close to being foo, and say so on this and other fora.

Chris

 

Like the man said, Richard, watch the documentary. It very succinctly answers your question as to why our senses evolved the way they did. Or don't you want inconvenient things like facts and reality to interfere with your views?

Chris

 

Thanks.

 

the BBC only publishes facts and reality

 

Ok, do the necessary web searches yourself, but stop retreating further & further into denial.

Chris

 

That would be your mistake, assuming you were the topic...


;-)

 

I am trying to draw people out of denial

 

Ah!

 

I'll say it again as I don't want this becoming an issue when it isn't.

Those in the trade are perfectly free to discuss their ideas and methods on ZG without the fear that they are breaching the AUP. We have a relaxed attitude on this and we welcome amplifier manufactuers discussing their circuits, those selling TT mods discussing such matters etc. If it gets silly and people start obviously trying to sell product in the main discussion rooms we'll step in.

As yet there is no issue at all and nobody has raised any concerns.

Rob <moderating>

 

You see what I don't understand is that everyone can express an opinion without any comment unless they are trade, then we get posts like the TonyL one, which is very helpful in explaining why he moderates and behaves as he does at PFM, it all seems very paranoid to me.

Anyway, I have opinions, and I have expressed them far more in areas I have no business involvement in than ones I do, but if I do comment on cables or amps or speaker wouldn't it be obvious I would say what I believe (only marketing men hype what they don't believe in), also wouldn't it also be obvious that if I believed in something then my products would reflect it, anything else would be looney!

 

But opinions are worthless without supporting evidence.

 

Here we go again I have the evidence of my ears and 40 years experience doing it.

 

Which has been shown to be totally unreliable in ALL human beings.

Chris

 

What complete nonsense, every development in human history has come initially from opinion and experience.

 

Have you watched the BeeB programme yet?

 

Nope

 

But it wasn't until we stopped trusying opinion & started seeking real, quantifiable evidence that we started making the real big strides, Richard.

Watch the programme, Richard. It'll stop you from posting daft ideas.

Chris

 

Of course it won't.