Why do you visit audio forums?

Trusying (sic) opinion is what starts the pursuit in the first place, if you didn't trust it you wouldn't make the effort.

 

I watched the Horizon programme.

I saw nothing that was directly related to hi-fi as a hobby.

I saw a demonstration that we lip read when listening to people speak. However loudspeakers have no lips.

That our colour perception is determined by the colours surrounding a small shape that we may be looking at.

That a vibrating belt worn a lot can become automatically accepted as a direction finding device by the brain.

That a blind man can ride a bicycle in a wobbly way on a wide cycle path by clicking his tongue to guide himself.

That there's an automatic reflex when we unexpectedly see a hammer hitting a plastic hand that we've been watching whilst having our fingers tickled by a paint brush.

That a bunch of students were unable to tell what flavours of fruit juice they were drinking when they were dyed unusual colours - eg light green for strawberry juice.


The premise of the programme was that our senses are interlinked and that one sense can be over-ridden in certain circumstances by an input from another sense.

What's this got to do with hi-fi?


Listening to hi-fi is a dual sense activity. The sense of hearing and the sense of touch from the vibration of lower frequencies. There doesn't seem to be much scope for the sense of hearing to be over-ridden in this situation.


The only vaguely relevant hi-fi situation that I can think of is in a demonstration situation where there were some sort of "dirty tricks" going on or a large amount of expectation bias. I think this deserves a new thread: "Dirty and not so dirty tricks used in hi-fi demonstrations" where we can discuss ways to bias a hi-fi demonstration. With the intention that if we know the techniques that can be used to throw a demonstration we might have some ammunition with which to counter them.

 

The easiest way is for everyone to tell them to piss-off and walk out the shop.

 

Is this just denial or do you genuinely not get it?

 

Why not?

 

Because he thinks he knows it all already?

 

None of your bloody business!!

 

He gets it, you don't.

 

If I told you you wouldn't believe me.

 

Try me.

Really?

 

Waste of time and you wouldn't understand. My experience is to do with my other business / hobby.

 

Cop out.

 

You are welcome to come and join a class, I just thought you wouldn't want to.

 

Can you please explain what you think there is to get from this programme that's directly related to hi-fi as a hobby?


All the examples I saw in this programme of one sense being over-ridden by another were magicians tricks or unusual circumstances.

What scope is there for our sense of hearing to be over-ridden by another sense when listening to hi-fi?

 

I think the point is that no matter much faith we all have in our perceptive abilities, we are easily fooled. That is very relevant to hi-fi IMO.

 

It is not faith, it is reality. This shows a distinct misunderstanding of the word, faith is held for an external source, not to an internal sensory perception.

 

You can have faith in anything.

 

No you can't, I suppose to the extent of the expression of having faith in your ability. But a sensual reality is a sensual reality, so it cannot be faith. You call it faith because that is part of your agenda.

 

You chaps are banging on about some silly TV show when I could be really sick as I've stated in the Other Thread.

I have two sets of AC cords which were supplied by my gear manufacturer. The newer or currently spec'd cord is 12 AWG and the older factory-supplied cord is 14 AWG ("12" is the thicker of the two for those on the right of the Atlantic)

Anyway, the newer 12 gauge cord sounds slightly louder and more "open" in the high frequencies vs the smaller 14 gauge cable; however, there appears to be a slight loss of low frequencies with the 12 gauge cord after repeated tests compared to the 14 gauge.

Now, my expectations with the stuff I've read over the years have told me I should prefer the shiny, new, louder cable. This thicker wire should also have more bass, not less.

I prefer the sound of the thinner cord after much cord swapping. So what have I done wrong? Is it possible there are exceptions in the real world (we don't all hear the same) or should I check myself into the ED tomorrow while at work?

Btw, no comments about power cords can't be heard. I'm too far gone for that.

 

I do like it when silly people make incorrect statements. ( for example putting their own faith in their knowledge- but it lets them down. That would be blind faith).

Richard I suggest if you want to talk about the meaning of words you learn some Latin or Greek, or at least learn Wikipedia.


"Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.[1][2] The word faith can refer to a religion itself or to religion in general.[clarification needed]

As with trust, faith involves a concept of future events or outcomes, and is used conversely for a belief "not resting on logical proof or material evidence."[3][4] Informal usage of the word faith can be quite broad, and may be used in place of trust or belief.

Faith is often used in a religious context, as in theology, where it almost universally refers to a trusting belief in a transcendent reality, or else in a Supreme Being and/or this being's role in the order of transcendent, spiritual things.

Faith is in general the persuasion of the mind that a certain statement is true.[5] It is the belief and the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared, based on the declarer's authority and truthfulness.[6] The English word faith is dated from 1200–50, from the Latin fidem, or fidēs, meaning trust, akin to fīdere, which means to trust.[1]