Why is Zerogain going downhill?

Not as I remember it. The HFC forum was closed for 2 weeks over xmas, and Joel offered to set up an alternative place for people to hang out over that time. It was open to anyone. As it turned out, most of the regular posters who stayed with GH after HFC reopened already knew each other or were of similar tastes, had been through the usual "which amp for me?" type threads and were after something different, and were bored with the endless trolling that was happening on HFC at that time, from which fact a few loud posters on HFC started posting that GH was an elitist clique.

As things have developed, ZG and HFC are very different from each other, I don't see why they can't happily coexist as they seem to attract different people with different priorities and experience.

Don't worry, you're not one of them.

-- Ian

 

Sideshowbob,

It good to see you agreeing with me in that ZG would rather not have the HFC type posters or newbies on here. It's always been that way as far as I can tell. As a result, no one should be surprised that the traffic slows down considerably and the topics for discussion become stale as it is now.

If things were going well, Lamboy, a regular poster would not have asked the question and WM would not have made his comment. How about addressing some of the issues facing ZeroGain that some of the others have commented about rather than being defensive about these isues? Nothing will be achieved through defensiveness.


Enjoy the music,

Lawrie.

P.S. I am now on my knees with my head bowed whilst I await my fate.

 

I agree that HFC and ZG are different, there is the usual newbie question over there, and the place is full of cable sceptics, I tend to post on here for a bit of fun, I doubt wether I will be upgrading in the near future (if at all), but it's nice to chat and hang out with people who have a like minded hobby, apart from a few silly arguments (of which I have been a protagonist) I feel the level of info on here is pretty good, also good and humourus, with most not taking it too seriously, I think what puts the newbs off is that the regulars have strange and wonderous kit and ideals, that newbs don't always have access to from reading the hifi press, I often offer advice to the newbs, even if just to suggest another member who has experience with the advice they are looking for, I also suggest that newbs on HFC come over here as they may get their questions answered, more fully than on HFC.

I reckon the reason newbs questions don't get answered too often as some of us have no recent experience of budget/Entry level kit which so often these new guys ask about, when budget kit is mentioned, regulars like PBirket and AT (who have more recent experience of this kit) generally give sound advice, when some ask about older kit that more experienced members allways come along with good advice, the difference with HFC and ZG is that a lot of post over there are either ansswered by the hard core or answered by others who have not listened to the kit and spout what they read in the reviews.

I reckon all new members are welcomed, warmly, however their questions are not always answered due to no one knowinhg the answer, not cause of any "snob value"

 

Quick what an oppurtunity, who's got the vaseline?, Penance?

 

I agree with WM's comments that some new blood would liven things up so I suggest that the ZG 'establishment' should not post anything nasty until the newbie has made, say, 10 postings. :ffrc:

If we welcome them, they will come. After all, Zero Gain is still (IMO) the best in the bizz.

 

Sorry Lawrie but in light of recent events, I find that somewhat sick

Why is it that you only seem to really contribute to threads concerning Zerogain and it's "issues" BTW?

 

I agree with WM's comments that some new blood would liven things up so I suggest that the ZG 'establishment' should not post anything nasty until the newbie has made, say, 10 postings.
:ffrc: :ffrc: :ffrc:

If we welcome them, they will come. After all, Zero Gain is still (IMO) the best in the bizz.

 

Yes
But i am using it on my 'roids

 

That isn't what I said. I can't do anything about the perceptions of some HFC regulars who noisily refuse to post here, other than to point out that they're talking guff.

Not being defensive at all. All I'm saying is I don't think ZG's problems have anything at all to do with it being anti-newbie, or elitist, or any of the other things some HFC posters with short memories and their own agendas seem to claim. Plenty of newbies turn up here, stay, and make a valuable contribution. ZG doesn't have the profile of HFC so gets less passing traffic, but it still seems to get a fair number of new faces. Its problems are the problems of all hifi fora: the subject isn't diverse enough or interesting enough in itself to sustain a large daily diet of posts. And recently some people have reacted badly to the usual wind-ups and sarcasm which are a fact of life in these places, which has led to silly arguments carrying on to well past their sell-by date and infecting other threads. Posters will either get bored and drop the arguments, find something else to talk about, or stop posting as often, or they'll carry on and that'll be the end of ZG as a place worth visiting. None of those possibilities is life-threatening or something to worry about especially. The world won't end whatever happens here.

-- Ian

 

Yup already done.

 

That's just the kind of guy that I am Merlin - one sick puppy.

Why don't you search the archives to see how many threads I have contributed to that only involved criticisms about ZeroGain and how many threads were hifi related. Make sure you are seating down when you do so because you will be in for a shock.

I'm not sure why you boys are taking my comments so personally. I enjoy posting on this forum but things have become very stale of late hence the fact that I welcomed WM's comment. Is there any reason why you haven't taken-up WM on his comments and will Lamboy get a decent and non-defensive response for you et al? How about addressing the issues. Look at postings on the board over the past few weeks, and you'll get an idea of what some of the issues are. I think they are far bigger than my comments of today don't you think?

P.S Still awaiting my fate. What would it be?



Enjoy the music,

Lawrie.

 

Having taken a 3-week break from the place whilst travelling my initial thoughts on coming back here were that things had picked up somewhat. New members from the trade and some very interesting threads, for example the Heathrow report added a new lease of life.

Every forum has its quirks, ZG included, but trying to remove them would indirectly remove the soul of the place. I personally like the slight elitist feel as I find that talking about 47 Labs etc is more interesting then the run of the mill questions elsewhere.

Maybe a little more stringent moderation for a while would “nip in the bud†some of the cyclical arguments that occur, but all in all it's a great place to hang out.

PK

 

The ignore list

 

By conversing with you Lawrie, I feel I am doing my bit

 

Bollocks.
Everybody, absolutely everybody had their own agenda when we started GH. The truth is that it is precisely those who claim ZG/GH is elitist and turns (turned) it`s nose up at newbies who wanted the strictest, stupidest most dumb****ing elitest controls over who who could say what and what could be posted.
There are many reactionary & paranoid characters in the hood.
BTW, Lawrie, you're not a victim, you're a perpetrator. That's not a compliment, in case you were wondering.

 

Victim? Perpetrator? Neither, but who cares how you view me?



Enjoy the music,

Lawrie.

 

I couldn't give a toss about you Lawrie, but you are the one who made the extremely crass joke and is also spouting nonsense about this forum and its predecessor. I simply replied / took the bait.
BTW, I guess all your posts in a previous life in which you detailed your high income level and the jetsetting nature of your lifestyle were just a sophisticated wind-up. Yeah, right.

 

I agree completelly Phillip .
It really is nice to see people like Thorston posting here as well as others in the industry .
As far as arguments are concerned , I,m sure it,s just a sign of boredom .
Could you not just move an argument over to the off topic , Michael , just to keep the general discussion a bit clearer?
I,m not going to suggest locking them , cos they can be really entertaining sometimes
I also agree with AK with regards to newbies and their questions .
I havn,t bought a new bit of kit for over 2 years .My cyrus gear has been updated twice in this time (8 then 8vs) . This means that I,m so out of touch ,
I really don,t think I,m qualified to answer many of the questions .
I havn,t bought a mag in over 2 yrs either , so theres another path of imformation lost to me .
I,m sure there are a others, on here , who are in the same boat as me .

 

Isn't it great how one wind up merchant with an agenda manages to make this thread a breathing example of what Lamboy was complaining about

Joel, leave him be - just about everyone knows just what Lawrie stands for.

 

I didn't, but am rapidly building a picture, I too noticed Joel rising to the bait, old wounds re-opened no doubt, and this is what Lawrie seemed to want to achieve, if certain posters get on your nerves or wind you up(we are only human afterall) then take Penance's advice and use the ignore facility.