Why the probelm with large English brand names?

OK.

 

i'll video the meeting and release it 'bum fight' style.....
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julian

 

But who will pull his own teeth for a bottle of JD?
Or should we make them remove digits?

 

Merlin, PM me with some suitable weekends.

 

Have done!

 

they can have a can of tennants extra for each 10 minute listening session. however each successive session must have a layer of mana removed or once it's down to a single stage revert through the various bits heirarchy's to an alba mini system. the last one to vomit wins.
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julian

 

From the context in which you used the phrase, "bandwidth limited" certainly seemed to me to mean 'without deep bass'. I suspect that's where we'd need to quantify things to have a meaningful discussion though.

 

Well I suspect that a very good small speaker 'without deep bass' is more accurate than a not so good speaker with some deep bass, and that true deep bass is a very rare thing indeed.

Perhaps an accuracy quotient could be formed from the Fletcher-Munson curves to qualify the importance of any portion of the bandwidth?

Paul

 

Define deep bass please Paul ? maybe 24db, without the use of a sub?

 

Equal loudness curves? Defining any kind of subjective importance of different frequency bands is surely much more complex than merely how loud a test tone at a given frequency is perceived to be. For a very simple example, while really low bass occurs relatively infrequently in most orchestral music its subjective importance is greatly magnified by the fact that it tends to be used for impact and weight at climactic moments, or to achieve particular effects - hence the "best bits" suffer disproportionately if the low end is lacking.

 

You could come over and try mine as well Mike, that would let me see how bad my room(not my floor) really is. I'm about 30 min from James, 10 min from Glasgow airport.

 

But the equal loudness curves relate to how important the brain perceives the information at that frequency to be.

It's peculiar that my Quads don't seem to me to have a subjective problem with the 'best bit' booms in orchestral music. The requirement clearly isn't defined well enough. If a sub-woofer caused any degradation at all I would consider the system to be worse regardless of whether the bass can now rattle the glass as well as vibrate the sofa.

Paul

 

Don't understand this.

What's your definition of 'deep bass'?

Paul

 

Paul,
Non-evasive laxative

 

Actually I'd suggest that if you want to get anything that resembles the actual sound of an orchestra (especially, as Merlin has alluded to earlier, the sound of an orchestra in a large acoustic space) then you really need as much dynamic range and frequency bandwidth as you can get. With little standmounts you can certainly end up with a very beautiful and precise sound, which is obviously very pleasant to listen to on its own merit - but generally speaking it's not "accurate" because it sounds too tame and domesticated by comparison to the wide bandwidth, high dynamic range original.

 

That's kind of beside the point here though. I think most people would agree that the 20Hz-40Hz octave is the most expendable in terms of obtaining an acceptable playback (perhaps followed by 10KHz - 20KHz?) - after all, the vast majority of the public have never heard anything approaching the 20Hz-40Hz band from their stereos. However, the issue here is not talking about choosing which parts of the audio band to leave out or which parts are the most important - your contention was that it's more accurate to leave out the low bass than to give an uneven rendition of it, which I don't agree with.

 

Sorry Paul, just being mischevious,
Deep bass, being able to produce those bottom octave notes in a manner befitting their correct use in the context of the musical passage being sampled.
Pete, I totally concur with your earlier post, reference 'missing bits of the puzzle'

 

Bloody 'ell Tone, you been to night school? (spelling)

 

Really do you think so? how can you tell?

 

Just a feeling.