Cannabis how bad is it...? ( long sorry)

[PBirkett]

The majority of hash (soapbar) IS made from varies nastys including turps diesel.wax,coffee.barbiturets and anything else they can bulk up the mix with.why do yo think its so cheap (£5 an 8th last time i was offered

Prove it

And I dont mean give me URL to some web page that says so, because i've seen them all, and none offer *actual* proof.

Also, i normally pay a lot more than that for 8th

If you smoke diesel or turps, you'll probably die within weeks.

 

[PBirkett]

PBirkett - You make a good advert for not becoming a stoner.

Ring someone who cares...

madhippy - I fear that I am in the same boat as you - the difference between starting 15 yrs ago (as i did) and starting now is that a) the quality is waay down, b)some grass is far too strong for newbies and c) cheap pills, speed, coke and others tend to be more readily available from the weed dealer.

Contradiction? Quality is way down, but its too strong. Think about that.

When did recreational drug use become a positive thing??? I speak from experience that it isnt.

Didnt stop you though did it, smart arse!

 

[Anex]

Contradiction? Quality is way down, but its too strong. Think about that.

Just because its stronger doesn't make it better at all, I can't stand all this white widow crap, good old fashioned organic welsh stuff is miles better than any super skunks etc.

If you want a comparison think Tenants Super or Special Brew

 

[lAmBoY]

Ring someone who cares...



Contradiction? Quality is way down, but its too strong. Think about that.



Didnt stop you though did it, smart arse!

-thanks for the 10p.
-Strength and quality are 2 diff things - i bet you look at the strength of red wine before buying a bottle.
-As a smart arse, I can speak from experience.
-stay on topic, this is about advice for a parent with a child trying recreational drugs. In your vain attempts in convincing yourself that dope is a good thing, think about the message you are sending to Sids son.
-when you finally grow out of being a stoner you will look back and think different than you do now.

 

[themadhippy]

Prove it

certainly
1)economics,how can you sell an 1/8 of hash for around £5 when an 1/8 of grass is at least double the price,it takes alot more than an 1/8 of green to make an 1/8 of hash
2)smell and texture, hash should be squidgy,not rock hard,it shouldnt smell of burning plastic and the smoke should be white/yellowish,not black
3) many years of toking, the taste and high off soapbar is nothing like you get of decent unadultrated hash, why do i get a splitting headache of commercial britsh hash? but the stuff i buy in holland or make myself dosnt have this effect

As for the strength,anyone rember red leb or gold seal? a shared spliff on that stuff would put me in orbit for an hour or 2,the "hash" being sold these days dosnt even come close

 

[Anex]

The high tells you whether or not theres crap in your hash, if you think theres nothing in it you've not smoked the good stuff.

 

[PBirkett]

-thanks for the 10p.
-Strength and quality are 2 diff things - i bet you look at the strength of red wine before buying a bottle.
-As a smart arse, I can speak from experience.
-stay on topic, this is about advice for a parent with a child trying recreational drugs. In your vain attempts in convincing yourself that dope is a good thing, think about the message you are sending to Sids son.
-when you finally grow out of being a stoner you will look back and think different than you do now.

Actually, I'm no wine expert, I usually leave it up to my dad to get my wine (who buys it in bulk) as he knows a lot more than I do. They are all about the same strength anyway!

Just for the record - I would not condone smoking weed, and personally I wish i'd never done it, but I cant turn back the clock, or undo the 13 years of smoking I've done either, so I'm not going to stress out about it.

Fact remains, Sid telling his son "just no" is not going to help, but nor is it going to help by scaremongering either, its not good for you, but its not as bad as some people say.

 

[PBirkett]

certainly
1)economics,how can you sell an 1/8 of hash for around £5 when an 1/8 of grass is at least double the price,it takes alot more than an 1/8 of green to make an 1/8 of hash
2)smell and texture, hash should be squidgy,not rock hard,it shouldnt smell of burning plastic and the smoke should be white/yellowish,not black
3) many years of toking, the taste and high off soapbar is nothing like you get of decent unadultrated hash, why do i get a splitting headache of commercial britsh hash? but the stuff i buy in holland or make myself dosnt have this effect

As for the strength,anyone rember red leb or gold seal? a shared spliff on that stuff would put me in orbit for an hour or 2,the "hash" being sold these days dosnt even come close

1. As I say, 1/8th usually always cost me more than a fiver. Usually at least a tenner.

2. Mine usually is hard, but i've never ever had stuff that gives off black smoke, its always white.

3. I dont get a headache off the stuff I get either. Yet I know the stuff I get is what some people call "soap".

If I ever got black smoke in a bong, I'd turn it down flat.

 

[lAmBoY]

Actually, I'm no wine expert, I usually leave it up to my dad to get my wine (who buys it in bulk) as he knows a lot more than I do. They are all about the same strength anyway!

Just for the record - I would not condone smoking weed, and personally I wish i'd never done it, but I cant turn back the clock, or undo the 13 years of smoking I've done either, so I'm not going to stress out about it.

Fact remains, Sid telling his son "just no" is not going to help, but nor is it going to help by scaremongering either, its not good for you, but its not as bad as some people say.

If you wish you hadnt done it - why dont you just give up? This is the most sense youve made so far on this topic.

Nobody is scaremongering Sid, just offering sound advice that Weed isnt a positive thing for his son.

Thats it.

 

[leonard smalls]

As for the strength,anyone rember red leb or gold seal? a shared spliff on that stuff would put me in orbit for an hour or 2,the "hash" being sold these days dosnt even come close

Aye...
It used to be a treat when Nepalese temple balls were in town, or Thai Sticks..
And as for soap bar, Goldie Looking Chain even did a song about it (shell suits turn out to be the wrong attire )

But with anything, it's moderation that should be practised. At uni I was hot knife king (that's nothing violent, for those wot don't know!), smoked very large amounts of whatever, and took mucho acid/speed. Then I failed a year, which I had to repeat.

I discovered that if I wanted to actually have a life other than getting off my face I would have to treat spliff use in the same way as drinking. In other words, not smoking first thing in the morning, or even every day. Or having loads the night before something important - tunnel vision doesn't help with getting anything together!
It's about being sensible - alcohol is a deadly poison, but in moderation it's mighty fine. Same with cannabis - treat it with respect rather than excess..

 

[garyi]

Paul if your attitude is attributed to drugs I'll never let my kids near them.

Having worked a bit for Clouds House I can say that drug use seems to become a problem for those with an inbuilt problem with excess anyhow, at least this is what I ascertained from the guys there. All drugs are bad for you, hash is bad, drink is bad. If people have an inbuilt inclination to habits or excess then it could be a problem.

I must say I can take or leave dope nower days. Back when I was younger I found it made me lethargic, dumb and slow and I was not a heavy user. My step brother who was and at the time 18 got Bronchitis most likely from using bongs all day, it was clear to me at that stage that dope is not a good or healthy pastime.

However its not something to panic about either.

 

[garyi]

I remember Majorcan Red Label squidgy. That was quite good fun. Soap and suchlike today is broadly speaking pointless.

 

[la toilette]

Ooh, I remember that stuff....squidgy black as we used to call it - either red or gold seal as I recall. I use to roll it into thin 'worms' and put it on buttery toast - tasted quite savoury. Wait 30 - 45 mins and then *wuuummmmpppphhh!!!*. Quite trippy if you put too much on, I had some surreal experiences eating that stuff.

Jesus, wouldn't do it these days.

Cheap hash is awful, even when I was a student there was stuff I wouldn't touch. Couldn't get good grass where I was.

Anyway, going vaguely back to the original bit of the thread; you can tell by the number of apparently sane and stable individuals that have admitted on that they have or still so smoke a bit, it's not as bad as all that, and most get bored of it eventually in the same way that we get fed up with going down the pub all the time - you just grow out of the excess.....

 

[garyi]

Indeed.


I off to the pub...

 

[la toilette]

Ha ha, and I'm clearly talking sh*te as well, as I'm off to the pub in 30 mins .... and if I meet someone there who wants to sell me an eighth of the good stuff, well........ :MILD:

 

[Anex]

Theres a guy in town that still does the squidgy black hash and I know a guy in wales who does thai (tie?) stick every year which is great stuff. Just have to pick the string out though. And seeds.

 

[PBirkett]

Paul if your attitude is attributed to drugs I'll never let my kids near them.

Well I can say its not... whether or not I'd touched anything, I've always been blunt and outspoken - this upsets some people - thats just tough

 

[MO!]

As for MO's friend, I'd just like to point out that he was dealing class A substances. Most people caught with weed get it taken off them and thats it.

Yesterday I watched a very good friend sent down for 21 MOnths. The judge stated that he was of excellent character and not the typical person they see in the court. However, as a deterent and punishment people must (not might) be given a custodial sentance. The absolute minimum he could give him was the 21 MOnths.

He knew the risks. Just that he was stupid/desperate enough to take them. Not a nice experience to watch a close friend sent down.

 

[GTM]

Ok well here's yet another ex users perspective. Although from some of the other posts I fear it may be irrelevant due to being out of date.

Occasional use :

a) caused (me) no long term physical damage, although did have issues with short term memory loss.
b) brought me in to contact (admitedly very rarely) with the occasional dealer attempting to dump off some Coke etc they had.
c) caused me to skip lessons to smoke the odd joint.
d) caused me to occasionaly attend lessons mildly stoned.
e) c) & d) meant I didn't get as good A level grades as I could have done, although ultimately it hasn't harmed my working life.
f) led me to try LSD, once. Which I would never had done if I hadn't been using canabis.


So many aspects of my experience can be seen as negative, however long term it hasn't caused me any life issues. For what it's worth I am not a particularly adventurous person and even my canabis use was only restricted to "normal" use. ie no bongs, hot knifes, oil, skunk, tie stick or any of the more exotic use that many did endulge in. Strictly morrocan, red/gold black or leb smoked in a joint or very occasionally eaten in a snickers bar.

Personally I wouldn't be overly worried by a son/daughter of mine being a mild occasional user as long as they didn't exhibit signs of dependance (which can happen even with canabis). At least not from a physical perspective. I would worry about the effect it does have on motivation in general. However, if they were to use I would much prefer they got it from me, so that I could be as certain as possible that they wouldn't be coming in to contact with people who would attempt to sell them "harder" drugs.

GTM

 

[Sid and Coke]

Thanks for the great responses, both public and private and offers of proffesional help and advice.
A huge workload at my job coupled with the 'stomach bug from hell' for two days solid has kept me mostly away from the computer in general and this thread for a few days .
Basically i was working, then being incredibly and violently ill for two days solid , then it just went away and i was back to work again ! Just got in and off to bed now , catch you later and thanks...

S&C.