Drunk and in need of money

I spent another £20 tonight on well virtualy nothing. Ok I am drunk I had a decentish night but I am tired and too old for all this. I just want to sit back with a cup of coca and listento John Devnor and Frank Sinatra.

I have a horrible feeling I will be sick tomorrow morning.

They played Joy Division again in the c;lub so it was qorth it i guess. I feel so dizzy my head is spinning.

 

joy division??
hmm i don't tend to drink that much these days- when i do, i usually go totally OTT and end up spewing somewhere

i just drive there and back and have a couple of beers nowadays- the alcohols worn off by 2am

 

I started drinking on Friday at 6 pm and didn't really stop (barring a bit of kip on Friday night) until Sunday at 4am... I remember everything (including meeting this absolutely GORGEOUS girlie!) - and have a battle scar (I had to retrieve my hat that said girl's mate got on the bus shelter roof, and my mate John dropped me - I landed on my hand - sprained and bruised but not broken!) - but at least I didn't puke...

Surprised I didn't - vodka-Redbull and 12 pints of real ale from Saturday lunchtime is over my usual limits

AT - it WAS worth it if they played Joy Division

Now I just have to get my sleep back before hitting Iron Maiden (Friday), Project Ozma rave (Saturday) and John Cooper Clarke (Sunday - can't wait!).

 

Yeah I know! Told you you were really pi$$ed on Saturday night, reckon I've probably only ever seen you more hammered than that about 2 or 3 other times previously!

So, meeting up with K again?

 

I like that! Problem and cause of problem in one easy sentence. Neat

 

rule number one, never take out a debit/credit card when you get pissed becuase you WILL spend too much.

Take the money u wanna spend in cash, then you cant spend any more. Having said that, that doesnt allways work and could lead to a very boring night!

I have spend stupid money on nigts out. £30-50 isnt uncommon or sometimes much more, i am just way too generous sometimes, and those £10 "special" pints at the union don't do much good.

Memory loss can be worrying too... I hate it when people tell you what you did, and then start making things up!

I say enjoy it while we can mate!

I cant stand people passing out though, that's when it is definately NOT funny and gets very worrying!

 

I only usualy spend less than £20 on a night out but it all adds up. I've been doing that once a week lately. Not to mention the fact I am spending £10 a week on records, about £10 on take-aways etc.

It all adds up. I need a proper job I think. But then I don't want my studies to suffer.

 

I've texted K - no response as yet but here's hoping she'll be "Special K" hey?

Still can't believe you let me continue to use your TT Henry - do you have a deathwish there? Apologies in proxy for Gareth's misdemeanours though - when I heard him turn the motor off I thought "oh my god - wait for the cartridge" - ouuuuuch!

BTW - my hand is still swelling up - I reckon I *have* fractured a bone in it but it's not too painful. The area around the damage looks like rotting chicken

AT - a tenner on records a week is important money - "never count the cost of music" as Tony Wilson said!

angi73 - by "special" pints, do you mean little round numbers that last for a few hours, or cocktails??

I'm now officially skint by the way - but I've GOT to drink my way up to and through the Maiden gig this weekend.

I've passed out on beer twice - once due to drinking a bottle of vodka and 2 litres of (unknown to me until I finished it - in 3 draughts!) ~44% homemade "rocket fuel" (I had a 9 o'clock programming practical the next day, had a hangover from HELL, but made the practical - AND got full marks - the only time I EVER got full marks at uni!!!); the other was during my second year exams - I must have been nervous as I'd only had 2 pints, went to find the loo (in an unfamiliar pub) and the next thing I knew I was being lifted out the door, into a full on rainstorm, by two huge bouncers - very embarrassing!

 

hehe but according to legend Tony Wilson also said tha Blue Monday would not sell any copies.

It is a great saying though and it is somthing that the bosses of EMI should learn. Although EMI are actually a proper company in it for money rather than the music.

 

Yeah - Tony didn't always get it right - he should have signed the Smiths (god I LOVE that 24HPP movie!).

I still find it hard to believe he didn't see the Blue Monday/12 inch selling thing coming - that track was soooo far ahead of its time, yet OF it, that it defies belief; computer music was just coming out around this time and let's face it - even though 12 inch records had been around for a few years, most of the tracks were just louder pressings of 7 inch versions, or just crappily extended (thus boring) versions - maybe Blue Monday could almost be a precursor to modern trance - it is after all 8 minutes long!

 

24 Four Hour People is a great movie. I also know the wife of Phil Saxe (the first Happy Mondays manager) and one my sister's friends is the son of the late Rob Gretton. My mums best friend also used to be friendly with him. He lived about 5 mins walk form me. I only found who he was in recent year after he died. I can tell you though that both the people i knew that knew said he was never seen smoking pot so I am thinking the drugs aspect was slightly made up in the film though I am sure they must have been on the stuff.

Blue Monday is one them songs you listen to and just think how can that be 21 years old! It still sound quite modern even today and when you're in a club and you hear that beet mixed in with another song you instantly know what songs coming next.

 

Greatly enjoyed "24 hour party people and it's soundtrack" but think it must have been a bit far from the truth in some areas.


Dom- by special pints i was comonly referring to a pint glass filled from all of the top row behind the bar, ie a deadly cocktail! the most disgusting drink ive had was when someone did this and put bailey in too, and it curdled.

Absinth is pretty deadly too!

 

Hi,

I have only seen bits of 24hr party people but it was a good laugh. Might get a copy, I'm sure Fopp had it in for £7.

Blue Monday still gets them going at various retro gigs I do. It's not the biggest tune or the most requested but it's still does the job.

The record came out just after a time when the disco backlash had happened. Dance records were fairly underground & niche selling. They sold to mainly people into the scene. This started to open up around the 82 onwards with rise of early hip hop electro & very early house & US Garage.

New Order had seen & heard this so they used this as a influence. I remember when the record came out & some of the indie kids at the time turning their noses up at it before they heard it was by New Order. The song did gather momentum over a long period of time.

In a way it wasn't that ahead of it's time. Too be truthful it's is just a disco track with New Order stamp on it. There were electronic disco records well before this one.

For a ground breaking stuff check out Giorgio Moroder stuff. He helped laid down the disco blue print for electronic house based dance music. If you listen to the 12" version of 'I free love' by Donna Summer. This is IMO more ground breaking track which still stands the test of time today.

Also check out Cerrone & Space (not the Liverpool band) for more electronic based disco dance.

You do have to give New Order credit as they did help to make popular this indie/ dance style which decame most bigger in future years & helped some people get into dance music.

As for 12" singles, I partly agree with you Dom. The 12" came out around 1976 and did offer a better cut of the record. Some of the early ones weren't much longer than the 7" version but were cut better & had special remixes & dance versions.

A number of disco dance 12" of the 70's were full version with the 7" being an edited version. As 12" singles got more popular, all styles of music & type of artists put stuff out on them. At first they were limited editions, sometime with different coloured vinyl & picture sleeves.

Collectors & fans would go out & buy the different versions. I have loads of 12" singles & some of the pop ones are in some case pointless extensions of a 7" song. The dance based stuff are not & can be epics going on for 15 minutes plus. Here the mixer/remixer can apply his or hers art.

BTW the good thing about djing is that you usually get your drinks for free.


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went to see the Inspiral Carpets on Saturday at the Manchester Apollo. Shawn Ryder came on and did 2 hour prty people. He looked wrecked....be warned drunk and in need of money, let his face be a warning to you

 

I heared about that gig. It sounded good. Shuan Ryder is a bit of a pratt. To put it politly he is just a silly over grown scally. His lyrics are probably good but its just not my cup of tea.

He also has one of the worst manc accents ever. "Ya' know wha' 'a fu*cking mean man" "where diz ma' pot man".

 

Did anyone see Shaun Ryder on a star treck thingy a few years back? They were asking various *celeb's* what their favourite Star Trek MOments were, and they were on about the episode of the next generation when Holmes's Nemisis MOriatie (no idea of spelling), is in it and they have to put him in a cube thingy. Watching him (and I think it was either Bez or Kermit with him), off his head and trying to describe it was hillarious! "like in the cube man!".

I never seen the MOndays, but have seen Black Grape twice. Excellent both times!......... not as good as the Stone Roses though

 

The Inspirals were the first band I saw (in the wet!) at this year's Glastonbury - real bummer that I missed The Darkness

Sheeeun Rydah's accent's great though - for all of us posh southern shandy drinking b*stards He's nothing compared to some of the Liverpool scallies though - now that's low.

Bez is hilarious - how much MDMA does it take to make your brain as screwed up as his I wander?

That's a no brainer Dean - get on with it! Great movie - great tunes - maybe NOT 100% accurate but...

OH no - NOT Donna Summer please - I could never get on with that track - I much prefer the rave version from the early 90s.

Early electronica though - some of that, like Herbie Hancock's Rockitt, are great. I've got a load of stuff like Whodini that I need to get round to spinning - my mate's bloke dumped a shedload of his vinyl on me for virtually nothing - including Haunted House of Rock on green 12inch vinyl

Speaking of green 12inch, I picked up Television's "Prove it" in a charity shop - I think this was from 1977 and sounds amazing - but punk 12inch!? Who'd have thought it.

AT - sorry to be thick but WHO is Rob Gretton - which one in 24HPP is he? I wander whether Martin Hannett (aka Martin Zero) really WAS that fat when he died - you'd have thought all the ecstacy the Mondays were giving him would have made him lose weight fast....

I still reckon his best work was Slaughter and the dogs' Cranked up really high - I blew £6 on the 7inch in the last record fair I went to and it's paid for itself already - one of the best drum sounds I've ever heard - I just wish I could work out what he's singing

I'm seeing another of Hannett's protogies this weekend - John Cooper Clarke - I intend to get my plectrum shaped 7inch and album signed by the boy I want him to put "We ALL start when the drum machine starts lads" on there... (Listen to "FAC325 - Martin" and you'll see why!)

 

Hi Dom,

It's interesting that you should say that, I picked up a copy of the very same 12" single in green vinyl in a record collection recently.

There were a number of punk/ wave singles on 12" singles. When 12" singles came out they were used by the disco/dance artists for club play. The first ones were limited edition promos. When they started to appear on the mass market (1977) again they were aimed at the disco/ dance fans of the time. Again these were limited releases as many thought they had limited appeal but a number of records did well on 12".

The first really big seller was "Shame " by Evelyn 'Champagne' King in 1977. This record was a big seller on 12" selling over 100,000 on the format in the UK. I think this 12" record was the biggest selling before Blue Monday in the UK.

Soon pop records jumped on the bandwagon. So did punk & New wave records. I have, early 12" singles by Talking Heads, Blondie, The Skids etc. A lot of these were released in picture sleeves & /or coloured vinyl. This helped to cause a boom in single sales. 1978 & 1779 were the peak in single sales. It is worth looking out for 12" singles from the late 70s as a number of these are quite collectable plus sound good.



Rob Gretton was a co director & founder of the Hacienda. He was a DJ & manager of a number of bands including Joy Division & New Order.

http://www.jrh31.ukonline.co.uk/Rob_Gretton.htm


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Any idea how much that copy of Prove it is worth? Got to be more than the 70p I paid

Cheers for the info on Rob - is he the guy seen talking to Tony W during the scene about buying alcohol for the Hacienda?

What's the name of the black guy who's seen a lot with Tony in the earlier scenes - the one with the wicked leather jacket, playing pool in the Russell Club? I'll have to watch this movie again totally sober as every time I've watched my copy I've been wrecked

 

Rog Gretton was one of the main people behind factory. He is played Pasddy Consinstine(sp) in the film. He is the one that says "great gear man" at the end.

He also was one of the main people behind the Doves. He was the person that got them their first record contract in the late 90's.

I made this website last year as apart of a university project. It was basicaly a project management assignment where the group had to make a webiste. This is the link to the bit I wrote about Factory Records.

http://www.notyourmusic.co.uk/pop/factory.htm

Yes that him. He was also the main person that wanted to setup the Haceinda. He was the one that named it. At first Tony Wilson was resistant to the idea because of the money but he managed to persuade Tony Wilson.