DvDead or a case of jam tomorrow?
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domfjbrown
live & breathe psy-trance
Until I *have* to get my stuff on-demand or downloaded, I'll still be using vinyl, CD and DVD discs.
The idea of entrusting my entire future collection to unstable CDRs and HDDs fills me with horror, to be quite frank; I'm not paying £17 for a download of a movie when I can have all the packaging and case for that...
The idea of entrusting my entire future collection to unstable CDRs and HDDs fills me with horror, to be quite frank; I'm not paying £17 for a download of a movie when I can have all the packaging and case for that...
I think streaming will be a big part of the future, but I believe it will be in parallel to recorded media rather than replacing it. Folk still like to collect, and downloading doesn't provide the collector with anything tangeable worth having.
Regards
Hex
Regards
Hex
I'm willing to bet that article was written by a sub 25 year old. Everything that is new and shiney is the best of course.
So discs are inconvenient? really is that so? if they were so inconvenient then they would never have taken off in the first place. As for popping down your local blockbusters being so hard, well then I truely worry about the health of our nation.
Go ahead, download all your music, films etc even if you do have a broadband connection that is quick enough and you're lucky enough to have a source which means you can transfer the information from one media replay device to another. I'll be sitting here listening to music and watching films while you're waiting the hour or so it takes to reformat your hard disc and reinstall your OS as will inevitably happen at some point in time. I'll be on my second film by the time you start your back ups of all your lost music and film files from .... from what exactly? oh dear would that be a disc in your hand??
GTM
So discs are inconvenient? really is that so? if they were so inconvenient then they would never have taken off in the first place. As for popping down your local blockbusters being so hard, well then I truely worry about the health of our nation.
Go ahead, download all your music, films etc even if you do have a broadband connection that is quick enough and you're lucky enough to have a source which means you can transfer the information from one media replay device to another. I'll be sitting here listening to music and watching films while you're waiting the hour or so it takes to reformat your hard disc and reinstall your OS as will inevitably happen at some point in time. I'll be on my second film by the time you start your back ups of all your lost music and film files from .... from what exactly? oh dear would that be a disc in your hand??
GTM
amazingtrade
Mad Madchestoh fan
Haha I remember all this about vinyl 10 years ago. I think in 25 years time we will be still seeing CDs in HMV. The problem is formats can only take of if we have the software and hardware.
I once read a report that Sony, EMI and Warner which one of the companies Philips had large shares in at the time stopped making stuff on vinyl because they wanted to push CD. This was about 1990 or 1991 I think. So almost over night vinyl disapeared forcing people to buy CD players. I remember my parents being one of the first people in the country to get a CD player in 1987, I remember as a five year old being so fasinated with the idea you could programme it.
In my opinion CD sales will fall but its not dead, far from it.
Edit also I am a love collecting things, I love collecting records, I some times buy records for sake of it, just to add to my collection, I cannot imagine doing this with MP3 files. I aim to get 300 LPS and 1000 CDs before I am 25.
I am 22, I study in the area of MP3 files, I have studied how MP3 works, the way they are compressed etc. I know exactly how the technology works but I am not convinced. Solid state isn't for me.
I once read a report that Sony, EMI and Warner which one of the companies Philips had large shares in at the time stopped making stuff on vinyl because they wanted to push CD. This was about 1990 or 1991 I think. So almost over night vinyl disapeared forcing people to buy CD players. I remember my parents being one of the first people in the country to get a CD player in 1987, I remember as a five year old being so fasinated with the idea you could programme it.
In my opinion CD sales will fall but its not dead, far from it.
Edit also I am a love collecting things, I love collecting records, I some times buy records for sake of it, just to add to my collection, I cannot imagine doing this with MP3 files. I aim to get 300 LPS and 1000 CDs before I am 25.
I am 22, I study in the area of MP3 files, I have studied how MP3 works, the way they are compressed etc. I know exactly how the technology works but I am not convinced. Solid state isn't for me.
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Uncle Ants
In Recordeo Speramus
amazingtrade said:
Yup, I have distinctive memory of suddenly not being able to buy a lot of stuff on vinyl. At the time it really did seem like it happened just like that, overnight all the mains shops in town suddenly seemed to have no vinyl racks. Result ... I pretty much stopped buying anything new for about 5 years until I finally bought a CD player - a cheapo teac job from Richers which sucked. As it sucked, I pretty much still bought not much until about 1998 when I bought a sony CD player which sucked a bit less and a renewed interest.
Prior to 1990 I spent a reasonable chunk of income on music and post 98 also. Frankly the music industry is run by a bunch of morons. The writyer may have a point though about DVD-A and SACD. 600,000 units a year v. over a million paid for downloads a DAY
Gentlemen (and ladies) we really ARE a minority interest.That said - would I be happy with my entire music collection sitting on a (for practical purposes unbackupable) multi multi gig HDD - not on your nelly.
julian2002
Muper Soderator
as an over 35 early adopter of computer based audio i can honestly say that i think it's the future. i'd never go back to the archaic method of having to piss about with physical disks on a daily basis.
however, distribution is another matter entirely. i'd much rather buy a cd, rip it once and then archive it in a box under the stairs than download something that can have it;s 'rights' changed to pay per play when the record companies profits slump. if i could download in an open format such as flac then ok but otherwise no way jose.
that said, it would be nice to be able to *legally* get hold of those deleted or rare recordings which i wish i'd bought when i saw them but didn;t and now regret. only if the rights are open and the cost is comensurate(sp?) with the worth of a bag of bits.
cheers
julian
however, distribution is another matter entirely. i'd much rather buy a cd, rip it once and then archive it in a box under the stairs than download something that can have it;s 'rights' changed to pay per play when the record companies profits slump. if i could download in an open format such as flac then ok but otherwise no way jose.
that said, it would be nice to be able to *legally* get hold of those deleted or rare recordings which i wish i'd bought when i saw them but didn;t and now regret. only if the rights are open and the cost is comensurate(sp?) with the worth of a bag of bits.
cheers
julian
domfjbrown
live & breathe psy-trance
If I wanted lots of music available from my armchair I'd have bought a Sony 300 disc multiplayer when they came out in - what was it, about 1995 for the 300 disc boheimoth (sp?). Since I like excercise and not turning into a slob, I'll continue to get off my arse and either change CDs or records. The ability to sit on my arse all evening selecting tracks from a remote sounds like fun, but within a month I'd DEFINITELY be less healthy...
If downloads get forced on us just like CD in the early 90s, I guess I'll have to adopt (or my future music would die!), but I'd rather not. I didn't have a turntable until I had a CD player (all on the same midi system), so I noticed vinyl go from the shops, but didn't really think about it so much (apart from finding it hard to see chart albums when they'd shrunk to 5 inches rather than 12!), but I can clearly remember even in 1991 that Woollies had REM's "Out of time", Nirvana's "Nevermind" etc all on tape/cd/vinyl, and by 1992 it was nigh-on impossible to get vinyl unless you went to an independent; at least when Solo in Exeter opened in 1992 they had anything that COULD be got on vinyl in the top 40 ON vinyl
So I was able to get albums like Little Angels' "Jam" on vinyl for cheaper than the CD, and with better sound quality.
Oh - and by the way, I also got "Jam" on CD a little later. Within 3 years, the PDO-manufactured disc had tarnished into an unplayable beer mat, and they sent me a replacement copy gratis (they admitted liability for a whole TONNE of CDs that "went bad" through oxidisation). The vinyl still plays fine. Modern technology and progress - pah! I remember when this was all fields!!
If downloads get forced on us just like CD in the early 90s, I guess I'll have to adopt (or my future music would die!), but I'd rather not. I didn't have a turntable until I had a CD player (all on the same midi system), so I noticed vinyl go from the shops, but didn't really think about it so much (apart from finding it hard to see chart albums when they'd shrunk to 5 inches rather than 12!), but I can clearly remember even in 1991 that Woollies had REM's "Out of time", Nirvana's "Nevermind" etc all on tape/cd/vinyl, and by 1992 it was nigh-on impossible to get vinyl unless you went to an independent; at least when Solo in Exeter opened in 1992 they had anything that COULD be got on vinyl in the top 40 ON vinyl
So I was able to get albums like Little Angels' "Jam" on vinyl for cheaper than the CD, and with better sound quality.Oh - and by the way, I also got "Jam" on CD a little later. Within 3 years, the PDO-manufactured disc had tarnished into an unplayable beer mat, and they sent me a replacement copy gratis (they admitted liability for a whole TONNE of CDs that "went bad" through oxidisation). The vinyl still plays fine. Modern technology and progress - pah! I remember when this was all fields!!
julian2002
Muper Soderator
dom, from your pics you seem to have the metabolism of a ferret on meth-amphetamine so i doubt you'd pork up just from the excersise you missed changing cd's every hour or so.
next birthday you should ask for some clogs so you can chuck 'em into the great download machine
cheers
julian.
next birthday you should ask for some clogs so you can chuck 'em into the great download machine
cheers
julian.
nsherin
In stereo nirvana...
Hard disc-based systems are great for convenience - I wouldn't go back to MiniDisc or a Disman now that I have my iPod Mini. But like Julian, I much prefer to be able to buy a CD and either listen to it in my CDP or rip it down (to AAC in my case) for use with the iPod. In fact, just for background listening, I often just use iTunes and my library on the PC, even though my HiFi is right next to me and the PC is connected to it.
I sort of remember when vinyl disappeard - I lived in Hong Kong in the late 80s, so many people were either moving to CD or used cassette (in my case) - you could hardly get vinyl. The same happened over there in about 1992/3 for cassette. In fact, I was quite suprised when I came back to live in the UK in 1998 that albums still got released on cassette. When I got my first CDP in 1991, I never even thought of ever owning a turntable. 11 years later, that changed. A Saturday afternoon hunting through record shops selling old vinyl can be very enjoyable.
The issue of reliablity also has to be considered - in fact, I'm about to buy a second hard drive with a USB 2.0 enclosure to use as a backup drive for all my photos/music. Not totally fool-proof, but if the drive is only used for backups, then it's a reasonoble level of protection.
Plus, if I shell out £16.99 for an album or movie, I actually want something to show for it - i.e. a DVD or CD, not just a bunch of files made up from 0s and 1s.
I sort of remember when vinyl disappeard - I lived in Hong Kong in the late 80s, so many people were either moving to CD or used cassette (in my case) - you could hardly get vinyl. The same happened over there in about 1992/3 for cassette. In fact, I was quite suprised when I came back to live in the UK in 1998 that albums still got released on cassette. When I got my first CDP in 1991, I never even thought of ever owning a turntable. 11 years later, that changed. A Saturday afternoon hunting through record shops selling old vinyl can be very enjoyable.
The issue of reliablity also has to be considered - in fact, I'm about to buy a second hard drive with a USB 2.0 enclosure to use as a backup drive for all my photos/music. Not totally fool-proof, but if the drive is only used for backups, then it's a reasonoble level of protection.
Plus, if I shell out £16.99 for an album or movie, I actually want something to show for it - i.e. a DVD or CD, not just a bunch of files made up from 0s and 1s.
