[quote="gargal, post: 768734"]I thought it was a strange claim... but a lot of DAC specs seems to list 20 in their freq range. I don't know what the loss below 20hz is though. eg: [URL]http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/specifications.php?PID=320&Title=Specifications[/URL] Wikipedia seems to say that CDs as a format only go to 20hz. I'm surprised by it, but my (limited) knowledge of the meaning of frequency ranges came from big sound-systems where depth was important. I guess that's one of the reasons the culture around dub, jungle, etc stuck with vinyl so much longer than others. Thanks for the suggestion Rob, and I have looked at the DAC magics. One problem with the DAC magic plus for me is that although it has 2 optical ins, and 2 coaxial, you can only wire up a total of two of them. I was thinking that this could be a good chance to get in to high-def music, which a USB connection is supposed to be less good for. The Musical Fidelity M1 DAC could work, as my DEQ can also output AES, which would mean that I'd need one less optical input. It seemed to be getting good reviews? It's a good whack of cash, but I do have a lot of different sources of digital audiowhich would benefit from a good DAC.[/QUOTE] Manufacturers will usually quote specs over the range 20Hz-20kHz because that's the norm and ideally you want the response flat within very tight limits over what is the audible range for most people. However you'll often find that if you slacken the the spec limits slightly from say +/- 0.25dB to +/- 1dB yo can push out further - usually close to DC at the low end and out past 30kHz if using sample rates over 96k. I've never used the M1 but have used the cheaper V-Dac which was excellent. MF seem to have a good digital design team at the moment so I'm sure the M1 will be excellent. For used sales, in addition to the usual eBay, the PFM Classified section is excellent as are the equivalents on the other two main uk audio forums Wigwam and Art of Sound.