[quote="lindsayt, post: 763302"] How many current LP12 owners have ever actually compared their tt's against a decent direct or idler drive turntable? My recommendation is that more LP12 owners should try this so that they can at least make a more informed decision on whether to stick with their LP12 or upgrade it or replace it with something different.[/QUOTE] I have heard my LP12 against many other TTs as you are aware. The one I rate best is the Phonosophie No3, the WTA Amadeus was also superb. However I still preferred my LP12 to all of them.