Under 16 and out after 9 o'clock

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    GAZZ

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    On the news tonight, the new anti social law where under 16's can be taken home by the police has just been challenged and defeated in court.

    My view is if a person is not misbehaving or breaking the law the police should have no powers to give curfews out. This now becomes a problem for the police, what is anti social behavour? Lets take a boy and a girl (15) walking together holding hands and kissing is this anti social behavour? some would say so. I would say it depends on where you live how you dress.

    What is your view about this.
     
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    amazingtrade Mad Madchestoh fan

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    It depends, certainly at 15 I was some times out later than 9:00, just walking back from a mates house and things. It certainly was not anti social bahaviour. However I am not sure if 12 year olds should be out on their own at this time of night.

    It really does depend too much on the circumstances.
     
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    Unless they are clearly doing something bad, or hanging in a group larger than say 3, then let them do what they want.
     
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    I fail to see why the police should have powers to send people home when they have done nothing wrong.

    Go to bed spotty:rolleyes:
     
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    amazingtrade Mad Madchestoh fan

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    I can't either, if we are talking about 10-13 year olds then they are too young but older teenagers as longs as they are not creating problems then let them stay out.
     
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    I like the idea of stopping groups 'hanging out'. It worked very well at Bluewater. They also stop people wearing hoodies.
     
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    So now they can tell us what to wear, great stuff!
     
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    technobear Ursine Audiophile

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    What utter nonsense! When I was 11 I used to cycle home from Scouts at 9 pm and frequently stopped off at mates houses until 10 before finishing the cycle home.

    Does this potty law mean that the Scouts will no longer be allowed to do night hikes? Ridiculous!
     
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    No Technobear it has been defeated in court yesterday before it got going.
     
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    Being out at 10 when you're 11 is a bit much - seriously! I was in bed by 9 at the age of 11 (bloody boarding schools - grrr ;)). Mind you, since I barely knew anyone at home, my mates lived across the road and in the next street, so not much of an issue there.

    If parents/schools/strangers were allowed to discipline yoofs properly, this sort of stuff wouldn't be neccessary anyway. OK, so most kids aren't that bad, and it's always a minority, but even still...

    This is one reason I don't want kids - I'd look like a right dickhead if my offspring went out and kicked off after all I've said in my time - he he!

    Actually - why let the little ****s out of school AT ALL before they're 18? Just kidding honest ;)
     
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    Children should be seen and not heard, they should also work in the mills and sweep chimneys from the age of 11.
     
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    penance Arrogant Cock

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    Na, Victorian ;)
     
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    haha right I better send my kids to the Withington work house then :)
     
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    The rule should only be applied if the young persons in question are wearing Burberry.
     
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    Yeah but no but yeah but...

    This is a very complex issue, and as Mencken said 'For every complex issue, there is a solution that is simple, straightforward, and wrong.'

    It depends on what you mean by 'discipline yoofs properly'. In my young day, we were beaten regularly with leather straps by the sadistic twats who ran our school. Given that 50% of us were unlikely to get into trouble anyway, all that the coropral punishment achieved was to turn us against our teachers, and made the real villains heros and role models because they were seen as 'hard' in the way they laughed off the punishments.
     
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    domfjbrown live & breathe psy-trance

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    Hmm - tricky tricky tricky. Even still, how much hassle did we have in the 50s compared to now? No surprise that everything started sliding during the 60s, when everyone started to know their "rights".

    I'm NOT condoning sadistic behaviour in schools - me and many others suffered psychological abuse (and some also physical sexual abuse) from one low-life scroat during our stay at the boarding school we were at - but discipline these days in the home and at school is totally crap.

    Yet another reason I won't be adding to the overpopulation any time near this life.
     
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    Everbody thinks things started sliding at a certain point; usually just before they were born. There was plenty of violence around in the '50s and preceding decades, but the police tended not to get involved if it was just 'lads fighting' or domestic violence. A slide may have started in the '60s, but IMO that was due to such things as greater disposable wealth (hence more nick-able stuff), postponement of adulthood (both my parents left school and were working full-time at age 14) and greater mobility (hence yobbishness and violence no longer confined to specific 'rough' areas) than to people knowing their rights.
     
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    Historically the slide started during world war 2. When most full time police had been called up and sent to shoot germans. This left a bunch of people who were considered unfit etc to go to war, they became corrupt police who didnt really care what was going on.
    That was the start of early UK gang culture, and youth gang culture.
     
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    I was born in 1975, so my mid-50s thing doesn't equate to that stereotype ;)
     
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