bottleneck
talks a load of rubbish
yeah sure mate.
I've got no call to go there anytime soon though, as Im spent out.
I've got no call to go there anytime soon though, as Im spent out.
300b recommendation.
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Have you got your valencias sitting on stands/slabs etc?
bottleneck
talks a load of rubbish
:shame: ermm books :shame:
they are angled up by use of audiophile books.
soon to be replaced with fake oak-cone-feet.
walnut-cone-feet infact.
they are angled up by use of audiophile books.
soon to be replaced with fake oak-cone-feet.
walnut-cone-feet infact.
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Yep, used to have my 4312's similar, actually straight onto big concrete bricks. Never got round to buying those short target stands.
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bottleneck
talks a load of rubbish
Interesting article.
It says the VOTT also does not display a flat response (which I didnt know) and that the horn has some treble roll-off (which I thought might be the case).
The question is of course, do you like a flat frequency response?
For me the answer is 'hell no!' the studio monitor sound isn't for me. Have you tried some ATC's or similar? Some people can't get on with anything other than strictly accurate speakers. Others dont like the sound they make... You might find of course if you used a particular ancillary to level the response you might like the 4312's less!! (or more? who knows). As you say though, only way to find out is by playing with them...
Are you looking for some more 4312's then?
It says the VOTT also does not display a flat response (which I didnt know) and that the horn has some treble roll-off (which I thought might be the case).
The question is of course, do you like a flat frequency response?
For me the answer is 'hell no!' the studio monitor sound isn't for me. Have you tried some ATC's or similar? Some people can't get on with anything other than strictly accurate speakers. Others dont like the sound they make... You might find of course if you used a particular ancillary to level the response you might like the 4312's less!! (or more? who knows). As you say though, only way to find out is by playing with them...
Are you looking for some more 4312's then?
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I'm not sure really! They were an amazing amount of speaker for the money (£1000) when they were briefly reissued in the UK in '97. Just try and find drivers like those on speakers available today in or anywhere near that price bracket. I challenge you! Bass was in a different class, especially live bass. They were an excellent..repeat excellent...3-way design for an unbelievably bargain price. I'll never forget how they made electro sound as well as house, seventies jazz funk and on and on..
I was 'reasonably' happy with my current PMC GB1's….until… I popped into Walrus just to buy a spirit level for my deck (as you do!). Happened to have a brief listen to those big K2's and…well….it all came flooding back...my old 4312's. In short, I realised that I had settled for mediocrity and that speakers really are the most crucial component in the chain.
Incidentally, you can view Paul Messenger's review from the link below, clicking on 'loudspeakers' and scrolling down to JBL 4312 mkII WX . I remember Jason Kennedy was blown away describing them as 'the audiophile bargain of the year'. He partnered them successfully to some very pricey Boulder amps, as well as those low powered plastic DNM monoblocks (about 25 watts or so) which worked even better.
http://www.hifichoice.co.uk/archive/
I was 'reasonably' happy with my current PMC GB1's….until… I popped into Walrus just to buy a spirit level for my deck (as you do!). Happened to have a brief listen to those big K2's and…well….it all came flooding back...my old 4312's. In short, I realised that I had settled for mediocrity and that speakers really are the most crucial component in the chain.
Incidentally, you can view Paul Messenger's review from the link below, clicking on 'loudspeakers' and scrolling down to JBL 4312 mkII WX . I remember Jason Kennedy was blown away describing them as 'the audiophile bargain of the year'. He partnered them successfully to some very pricey Boulder amps, as well as those low powered plastic DNM monoblocks (about 25 watts or so) which worked even better.
http://www.hifichoice.co.uk/archive/
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Baudrillard
Do try to get to hear a Border Patrol if you can. You can pick them up secondhand if you like the sound. Mine is a 300B push-pull version [18 watts, I think]. It sounded cleaner to me than the 9w SE version. Physically it feels like it will last for EVER. I never say never, but the way it sounds at the moment I can't see myself getting anything else.
You might also find that 300B valves from different manufacturers have as much influence on the sound as the amp itself.
Paul
Do try to get to hear a Border Patrol if you can. You can pick them up secondhand if you like the sound. Mine is a 300B push-pull version [18 watts, I think]. It sounded cleaner to me than the 9w SE version. Physically it feels like it will last for EVER. I never say never, but the way it sounds at the moment I can't see myself getting anything else.
You might also find that 300B valves from different manufacturers have as much influence on the sound as the amp itself.
Paul
Paul V said:
Hmm, exactly the quandry I'm in at the moment. I've got Svetlanas in my Audions at present and two have gone down. I quite like the sound of the Svets and from Conus Audio (in Canada) they're reasonably priced but quite frankly they're just not reliable enough . Am toying with the idea of the Full Music version but it's still a fair investment in an unknown. Especially as I need 4 of the blighters!
Badchamp
I'm running Golden Dragon 300B mesh plates [they're called 300BMs]. They sound very good to our ears, different but no worse than General Electrics.
I always admired Audions from afar, hope yours are lovely.
Paul
I'm running Golden Dragon 300B mesh plates [they're called 300BMs]. They sound very good to our ears, different but no worse than General Electrics.
I always admired Audions from afar, hope yours are lovely.
Paul
bottleneck
talks a load of rubbish
Badchamp, am also running 300B meshplates.
Mine are gold plated TJ's.
Details here:
http://www.diyhifisupply.com/diyhs_tj_tubes.htm
Not wanting to import, I bought them here:
http://www.hificollective.co.uk/valves/other_output_valves.html
I can strongly reccomend mesh plates.
The standard non-gold pin meshplates aren't much dearer than Svets.
Mine are gold plated TJ's.
Details here:
http://www.diyhifisupply.com/diyhs_tj_tubes.htm
Not wanting to import, I bought them here:
http://www.hificollective.co.uk/valves/other_output_valves.html
I can strongly reccomend mesh plates.
The standard non-gold pin meshplates aren't much dearer than Svets.
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bottleneck
talks a load of rubbish
Baudrillard,
check out the amps on the 'imports from the east' thread.
There are some truly incredible bargains. If I was starting afresh - I'd probably take a slight gamble.
check out the amps on the 'imports from the east' thread.
There are some truly incredible bargains. If I was starting afresh - I'd probably take a slight gamble.
bottleneck said:
Ah but Chris you're lucky - you only need two ! True about the price though I suppose, I'm just wary of taking that giant leap into the unknown. One day maybe we'll be able to have a ZG 300b comparison "bake-off"
