[quote="lAmBoY, post: 732826"]I agree up to a point and I think we are agreeing from different angles if that makes sense. It also reminds me of a question I put to someone once "do your morals come from your religion?" - they answered "yes". they weren't a 'Frisbeetarian' ? :D [URL]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7760284425065081530[/URL] Democracy in this case also means that the leaders of our world are forced to be shepards, even when this weakens their ability to build a free society. How do we extricate religion and begin focussing on society based around ethics and morality free from the curiosities/bigotry of religion? [/QUOTE] i think the truth has been moved, a Faith exists, it' is woven into life as life is woven into it, in evenness, just as before, where individuals could live in Peace, where they would seek to understand the land they were upon, the stars above and secrets from beyond the veil, the unwritten knowledge, it was learned ..felt..and they were humble and thankful, but wasn't conducive to a greater power's idea of how life should be lived, and if anything was a threat that needed replacement, one that would 'allow' freedom of thought as long as it was confined in a given space and from the mouth and hand of the same rule, it would have the illusion of difference and must fit exactly into proper angle when the two hands left of religion and right of rule were placed together, With it's laws, and with it's restrictions on both plains of man, they in unity, working as one would be a formidable force, religion and rule, no different from one another, and with the learner's fading and their numbers falling by each generation, each generation found the law of two faces...to be natural. :)