[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by joel [/i] [B] Oh, and the new Bimmers look absolutely AWFUL. Big, fat arses, too much jewellery and "unnatural" crease lines :D [/B][/QUOTE] Funny you should say that, Joel, but I was thinking much the same thing last night. I walked past a BMW dealership, and was drawn to it by a particularly hideous piece of metal. This transpired to be the new 6-series coupé and I found it as ugly as the original was elegant. As for the others, they should really stop pretending with the Seven series and fit the gun turret as clearly originally intended, and the creases you mentioned in the Five series do look totally out of place. It would appear that, in an attempt to be avant-garde, BMW has badly lost the styling plot at the same time as Mercedes cars, traditionally boxes on wheels, are becoming more elegant.