HOW MUCH MORE!? (Happy slapping)

AT's going to reproduce!!!!! As the iron maiden classis goes; run for the hills

Only joking.

As has been said dont think you'll get much choice about school.

 

It depends where you live though, if you're in a big city there are loads of schools which are not full. I remember my parents visiting lots of schools before finding one for my sister, which was just 1 mile away but in Trafford and not Manchester.

I think good parenting is always more important than a shcool anyway. If I do have kids I will make sure one of us it at home to look after our children, I don't want to dump them on other people all the time.

My mates doing the same, he is leaving work full time when he has a kid and his wife will go out to work, he dosn't have a wife yet though, so thats all rather academic

 

In the real world that I live in my family are about to move home (and area). Choosing a place where there are good local state schools is most important to us.

Bob, most people have choices although they don't always exercise them. Good schooling for their children is not a priority for everyone.

 

I think most people just think schools are all the same, but my experience is that is anything but the case, and you can't measure how suitable a school is on league tables.

If it wasn't for all the problems I had my parents would have just picked the local 'standard' school for my sister.

 

my daughter will be going to a local church shool when she leaves primary school next year. they are still pretty old fashioned when it comes to discipline and the school day - assembly, hymn singing etc...

 

Be careful there, my mate went to a catholic shchool and it was very rough, but it was in a very rough part of Manchester.

However I pass a COE secondary school everyday on the bus and I am always impressed with their behaviour.

You would think in general though they would have less disruptive kids.

 

A good school is one made by a good headteacher and parents that give a shit about their childrens behaviour.

I went to a 'rough' school - never once was the word 'University' mentioned. I thank my parents for instilling in me the notion that I can achieve through application and attitude.


I just cant agree that schools should be made responsible for bad behaviour. Maybe the answer is to make the parents watch videos of their ferral offspring misbehaving? (trouble is we are into multi-generation ferral families - how do you break the cycle?)

 

That might work, the problem is some parents just don't care. It goes back to the old Shuan Ryder's dad joke

"Don't f**king swear in my house"

 

7V
I cannot speak for the South east but believe me in Manchester parents have very little 'choice'.
Amazingtrade try 'choosing' single sex education for your child if you're outside the catchment areas of Burnage High School or Whalley Range. Try choosing a C of E secondary school if you're outside the catchment area of Trinity high school. Try getting into Parrswood if you're not in the Didsbury mafia. There are secondary schools in Manchester with places available. Can you guess why? To go to a Trafford secondary you have to pass their 11 plus.

After 26 years in teaching in Manchester I assure you the concept of choice is largely a myth.

Bob

 

You do have a point.

i went to Oakwood then Ducie I tried getting into Parrswood but as I live in Chorlton I had no chance. I suppose I could have gone to Trinity but I am not sure why that wasn't an option.

Ducie wasn't as bad as it was made out though, yes it was very rough but it had some very good teachers.

Burnage was a bit too far me and I didn't like the idea of going to an all male school.

Oakwood has since changed its name to Chorlton High and it seems to be more concerned with the Bee Gee's and press coverage than its pupils so nothing has changed since 1994 when my parents took me out of the school.

My sisters choice came down to either Whalley Range or Stretford Grammar.

 

HTML:

Maybe the answer is to make the parents watch videos of their ferral offspring misbehaving? 

I suspect the response would be " This is normal behaviour - why are you making me watch this?".....maybe not in those words....
Here be the problem....

 

Chaps

The answer is simple. Bring back the birch. They rarely offended a second time and before any pinko comes in, I have no concerns for the welfare of thugs.

The streets would be a much safer place.

Regards

Mick

 

They could also video the birching, on mobile phones.

 

Bub

Relatives of murdered victims are allowed to view executions in the USA.

I see no reason why the birching should not be videoed and any member of the public showed be allowed to view it.

It would certainly bring the yobs into line.

Of course it will not happen because we are in a society that gives thugs human rights.

Regards

Mick

 

Would a good birching put some reality into Micks perspective?

 

I think that the stocks should be brought back for "twatty behaviour" which could cover a whole multitude of sins..
Instead of selling the Big Issue, homeless folks could sell rotten tomatoes and eggs, and it would be a fun day out for all the family.
Not only that, it's a cheap alternative to jail..

 

Leonard - then you will get sued for hurting them with the eggshell.

 

Aah, but sueing unecessarily would come under "twatty behaviour"...

 

and of course, these executions have brought down the murder rate in the USA.

Mick, I can see your argument up to a point. In certain countries tough punishments have helped, but it's not a guarantee. The society as a whole needs to change our attitude IMO, which is much easier said than done. I like to think of myself as a law abiding citizen, it's not just because of my fear of the law or of getting caught, it's because of the way I was brought up and my sense of right and wrong.

 

yes its a big concern, it seems its suddenly become a big issue with the media, its always been there but its getting blown up., I supsect one reason is the media like to prey on our fears, and another is that there is some element of truth in it.

Cause?
Steve has probably diagnosed best, its a lot of reasons, as always, americanisation, media, rich/poor, legal system, rights culture, as Dom says, Thatcher is a bitch and deserves to be pissed on, she imo is responsible for a lot of the evil in society.

anyway, rights and legal is also big, I trained as a teacher about the time of the children's act, which was the start of it, I have no idea about the solution, as you could repeal all these rights laws, yet they are there in their essence to do good and protect children from vicious beatings.

but as rightly said, yobs can do what they want, and get away with it, because,

people are scared to intervene/grass up

the law is stacked in their favour

the police don't bother

judges don't give custodial sentances because of political guidelines not wanting the prisons to fill up

the system is soft...understand/compassion instead of judge

do gooders

parents now will go mad if you slap their kid wheras in the past they would give the kid another slap

kids aren't interested at school, they know the system is purely about success and failure, grades are ALL that counts, winning is all, nothing else, and the underachievers will never achieve, couple this with disparity between rich and poor, and they are pissed and envious and all want to be famous, never will be, so life is shitty, couple that with seeing the gross privilage of celebrity wafted everywhere and you don't wonder why they become a bit off the mark, having to fit tyres all day every day instead of flying to barbados for a 30k photoshoot, for a few hours work, more than they get in a year of hard work.This imo is the big problem, the media/celebrity circus.it combined with soaps is one big cause of crap in this country/world.

to blame it on teachers or parents is woefully simplistic

I suspect this existential boredom is a big thing, too many things to do, too little time, too little cash, people are struggling to keep up with the pressures on them, and kids with little cash are bored.

I got a bit picked on at school for being small and all that, yet I found myself picking on a kid myself, a twang of conscience hit, but I got caught up in the herd culture, when your inhibitions leave you in a group, you feel a stronger sense of impunity, you get influenced/sharpened by other attitudes. call it peer pressure, others atttitudes influence to give an altered mental state, you can feel it in a group

solutions anyone?