[QUOTE=stumblin]Benefits should be set at the point that you go one them. If a family with one child falls on hard times (it could happen to any one of here, no matter how successful) then benefits should be set at the one child level and not rise. If you have another child, then you have chosen to support that child at that income bracket, just like the rest of us. If I had a kid tommorrow my wage wouldn't rise, so why should yours? [/QUOTE] I think there is logic in this. Benefits should be first a safety net as you say. Trouble is, ideas like this work best when there is a surplus of jobs, not people. Now that real jobs are disappearing fast from the UK PLC, the remaining vacancies outside the SE are mainly: 'Rocket scientist wanted, paid in peanuts, must have 20 years experience, a PHD, and some daft NVQ diploma they invented 6 months ago..' The hurdles are way too large for many people.