Mana Audio update

[Stereo Mic]

Then the sensible thing for Mana to do is to settle prior to appearing in court.

 

[Robbo]

howabout the fact that Heuer has started legal proceedings against Mana.....

FFS, the guy paid around a grand IIRC for some stands months and months ago and Mana are now refusing to get in contact with him. What do you expect the guy to do, shrug his shoulders and say 'Oh well, never mind'?

 

[Barnie]

FFS, the guy paid around a grand IIRC for some stands months and months ago and Mana are now refusing to get in contact with him. What do you expect the guy to do, shrug his shoulders and say 'Oh well, never mind'?

Of course not, but once you start down that road - any further communication will be via the legal system...

 

[Stereo Mic]

Well Barnie, what about Mana supplying the goods or refunding the money, and announcing their doing so over here to prevent further "conjecture"?

 

[Barnie]

Well Barnie, what about Mana supplying the goods or refunding the money

Knowing JW, he will have tried his utmost to do this...

 

[mick parry]

Barnie

Like you I know that JW is basically a honest man. Anyone who knows him will testify to that.

Unfortunately he is not a good businessman and PR has never been his strong point.

I hope he will resolve this situation, but he should listen to his friends a bit more often. The head in the sand attitude never works in this day and age.

Regards


Mick

 

[Stereo Mic]

Knowing JW, he will have tried his utmost to do this...

The sad thing is Barnie, that if that really is the case, and funds are not available to provide a refund, then the conjecture on this forum is well founded and questions have to be asked in the public domain to protect others.

 

[Markus S]

Markus, you've mentioned that article before and I've read it myself. What they did, IIRC, was measure the resonances etc of the stand. They didn't make any audio measurements. They might aswell have measured how well they reflect light for the relevance it has to hifi.

With the exception of TTs and speakers, there's no evidence whatsoever that the effect of hifi stands is audible.

I don't agree. With some items, transferring them from one support to another makes a difference, a repeatable one. But since you will accept only DBT as proof, and I'm not aware of any that has been done on this subject, I'll drop the point.

 

[johnhunt]

I find this picking over the remains and conjecture over the future of mana unpleasant. what ever the pros and cons of the product there seems to be little doubt that like all successful small businesses mana was borne out of hard work, ambition and a genuine passion for their product. there may be problems now but this is not the place to discuss them.

threads like this will make their demise more likely if anything and it should be closed now.

 

[Stereo Mic]

John,

Sorry but I have to disagree. The customer's rights must come first. What if another Heuer comes along in a months time? What a forums for if they cannot make manufacturers listen to reason on the odd occasion?

I feel it is in the interests of the hifi buying public for this information to be availabe on line and it could easily be closed by the company concerned settling their debt.

 

[ditton]

If Dunkyboy doesn't take you up on your offer, then .. if the price is right... I probably won't be in the market for any Hi-Fi gear until just after christmas now .. I live near to St Andrews on the east coast and could collect if within a reasonable distance.

As said in our PM exchange, the earliest it will become available is late this month - as I must assure myself that the effect/affect of kit on Hutter stand(s) is at least as good as kit on that Mana stand. (I must welcome suggestions on ABX blind testing but might settle for something less rigorous.)

If Dunkyboy doesn't see this Mana as from heaven, then you have first nibble. Subject to agreement by SWMBO and bank manager (not the same person), I would be happy to store & wait, tho would appreciate agreement in principle before payment, at mutually agreeable price.

 

[Markus S]

SM, what you say only makes sense if you assume that Mana are still taking orders. I understand Heuer placed his order a good time ago. Do you have any info that Mana are still taking orders? If not, there can be no danger for members of the public.

What a forums for if they cannot make manufacturers listen to reason on the odd occasion?

I don't think a forum is a tool for either bullying a manufacturer, or for penalising him if he does not go along with whatever the forum consensus sees as 'reason'.

 

[Ian Wright]

"The customer's rights must come first"

But they don't. Customs and Excise get in their first etc.

Also if you publicly state that you think a company is in trouble. Others join in the conjecture gets worse and worse and if that then puts them in further trouble such that they then go out of business then you have made things worse for everyone.

That is why I have asked for facts and not conjecture.

Ian

 

[johnhunt]

consensus then

mods - close this thread before you end up in front of the beak too

 

[Stereo Mic]

Guys, do whatever you like. My point is that the internet is a place for free speech and should not be censored. I struggle to find a genuine reason for either of you wanting to close a thread such as this, that is in the interests of the hifi buying public.

The only possible beneficiary of such action would be JW himself. I think we simply have a case of differing allegiences here. Mine is to the little guy who is currently out of pocket. JW has the opportunity to resolve the issue in seconds. He chooses not to. That says a lot to me.

 

[ditton]

Let's not rubbish zerogain, or this thread. Sure, quality of comment/contribution will go up and down, and will verge on the lunatic, and on the dull - guess which prize I'm after ..

We could be discussing any other specialist hifi company that was seen by at least one member either to be not honouring contracts/pre-payments or seems to be facing wobblies in the marketplace. And I think that, matters of legal compliance aside, that's OK for a forum like this. I certainly regret sudden disappearances of threads.

As to whether the products of that company are to any individual's liking, surely that's like any other hifi product. What Mana does do, as many other companies do, is offer up and promote the prospect of upgrade within the same manufactured product line. I wont mention other company names for fear of dragging them into this thread - but surely I am not alone in having settled on the (perceived) virtues of a particular component, I am open to tweak by buying more of the same, or installiing a better dac, or replacing those caps, or .... tweaking is a qualification for a hifi forum

let's all hope that Mana can continue to flourish, and that Heuer gets prompt satisfaction. the two are related issues.

 

[Stereo Mic]

Mods, close the thread and the bad guy get's what he wants. Who's bullying who and who stands to lose out? Your choice.

 

[Markus S]

I can see no reason at all for this thread to be closed.

SM, it's nothing to do with allegiances. The point you are on about has been made -repeatedly - inthe early stages of this thread. It gets boring to repeat them yet again. Therefor, and unless you have indications Mana are taking orders they can't fulfill in a reasonable time span, I see no point in keeping on repeating them.

But I do agree that Mana should have been in contact with Heuer long ago.

 

[johnhunt]

don't close the thread then

looking forward to scanning through more boring conjecture

 

[johnhunt]

Here's a supposition (or more boring conjecture if you like)

lets say mana are in trouble

lets say the owner of mana is deeply upset by this

let's say his house is on the line and he's trying to sell his prized record collection to help out

let's say he would love to either satisfy or refund the outstanding orders but simply isn't in a position to do so

let's say all this is getting on top of him and his health is maybe suffering

let's say he is used to conducting his business , that is and has always been small and probably not terribly profitable , a under a disproportionatly large forum gaze. He probably regarding this as a mixed blessing but now that same audience , the majority of which never bought a sausage from him are now discussing his down fall in an open forum.

Given all this he feels unable to respond and probably can't even bring himself to turn his PC on let alone see himself castigated over mistakes he might have made about which, now, he can do little but let things take their course.

i think Mana would more likley survive and our ZG colleague get his cash or his rack if ZG stopped rubbing salt into the wound





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