PBirkett - Bobby has left the 'building'.

HAHA!!!!

No chance of MO'N leaving for a wee club like the toon, so you get a second hand rangers man! Sounds about right :D

One who seems to have gone back on his comments about "going nowhere" recently!

Never know, he could do a job for you though ;P
 
Given a choice, I think they'd want Bruce. O'Leary has been mentioned too. But how about going for the "[over] six million dollar man" Sven? He could do with a new job.
 
Bruce was apparently the first choice.

Truth be told though, it was never going to be easy to persuade a big name / well respected manager to come to Newcastle. Its probably one of the hardest jobs in the Premiership, and has certainly been the downfall of anyone who has taken it on in the past.
 
PBirkett said:
Truth be told though, it was never going to be easy to persuade a big name / well respected manager to come to Newcastle. Its probably one of the hardest jobs in the Premiership, and has certainly been the downfall of anyone who has taken it on in the past.
Is that because, despite having gates and receipts that are amongst the highest of any football club in the country, they've generally done crap?

Sorry - slipped into 'football banter mode'
 
More due I think to the weight of expectation. Only one team can win and Arsenal and Chelsea are so far ahead of the pack, and Man Ure are almost bankers for 3rd that leaves only 1 champions league spot left, and a fair few clubs could challenge for that. Too many clubs including mine expect success because of their great support
 
7_V said:
Is that because, despite having gates and receipts that are amongst the highest of any football club in the country, they've generally done crap?

Sorry - slipped into 'football banter mode'

Couldn't have put it better myself :D :duck:
 
But surely Newcastle are 'big' enough to do better than Souness? He might not have even survived at Blackburn this season.
 
IMO Blackburn were a little unlucky in their start to the season. They comprehensively outplayed ManU but a blatant handball to set up the equaliser, combined with a 'mysterious' extra minute of injury time, ensured that ManU gained a point. And were it not for a dodgy penalty decision against Southampton they would have had the same number of points as ManU !

Souness has also won the League Cup with Blackburn in the past few years whereas Newcastle haven't won nowt.

Will Souness be a success ? Who knows but we can all have a laugh at Newcastle in the meantime. God I hate Alan Shearer.
 
Yes but which big manager will take on a poisoned chalice? Be expected to win something but with little chance. Robson did fantastic. Top 5, Champions league quarter finals, but that still wasn't good enough. You'd be a fool to take it. 2 or 3 years when you fail you get sacked. Why not stay where you'll be appreciated. O'Leary or Bruce were never viable candidates, they're too sensible
 
I'm not going to argue about how we've won nowt, because its true, and nothing I can say will really add anything to the debate, but I'll leave the thread with some thoughts from the site www.nufc.com

Souness: some thoughts

Thanks to everyone who sent us emails about the shock appointment of Graeme Souness as the next Newcastle manager. Here's some thoughts of our own:

At best it's an unadventurous appointment. The sort that a club scrapping around in mid-table obscurity might make. Clubs like... errr... Blackburn. It's just shuffling the Premiership pack.

If we had got Freddy's first choice, Steve Bruce, you'd expect Birmingham to appoint someone like Graeme Souness, then Blackburn could appoint Paul Sturrock and so on and so on. It's the easy option.

Tottenham and Liverpool, to their credit, went down the more courageous route. Spurs appointing the former coach of a side that had won the World Cup and Euro Championship, Jacques Santini, while Liverpool persuaded Rafael Benitez to leave UEFA Cup winners Valencia.

Not forgetting Chelsea, who had the financial clout and buying power to persuade the manager of the Champions League winners away from Porto.

Three appointments of non-British managers with international pedigrees. Proven winners and all of them given time to buy the players they wanted and mould them into a squad, before the season started.

Meanwhile, those lovable Geordies kept the nation entertained with an ill-timed managerial dismissal - the day before the transfer window closed - after selling their most saleable asset. Both decisions now obviously made on the cuff, without any future planning, whatsoever.

Both decisions had some merit, but only if what was lost was replaced by something better. Woodgate wasn't even replaced, while Robson for Souness is like scrapping a vintage car - that undoubtedly needed changing - and getting a saloon instead. Functional but distinctly uninspiring.

So who should we have appointed? Well, the suggestion of Ottmar Hitzfeld seemed a good one. Someone with a fantastic track-record and an appointment that most of us would have been prepared to give time to succeed.

Perhaps he was asked, perhaps he turned us down, perhaps no-one in our boardroom had ever heard of him. We don't know.

More likely, is that a short-list of would-be successors was drawn up and put in order of Geordieness. So, once Shearer and Bruce ruled themselves out then there was only Bryan Robson available, with Brian Little even behind John McCririck in the betting.

Even three million pieces of silver weren't enough to persuade Steve Bruce to jump ship, although when he finally takes over at Old Trafford we'll read in his inevitable biography just how close he came. After all, it's his hometown club, the one he supported as a boy etc. etc.

Venables, Strachan and O'Leary were the others in the frame. Big names but with reputations enhanced by their punditry more than their plunder. Bluster rather than booty. At least we didn't get any of those three stooges.

Most of the favourable comments about Souness mention his ability to kick backsides, smack heads and knock people into shape. Is this what discipline is?

That sort of approach used to work on the pitch... until they introduced discipline. Souness the player would be red-carded every other game nowadays - if he wasn't already serving a suspension. The game has moved on. How many backsides has Arsene Wenger kicked to put together his unbeatable side?

And contrary to popular opinion, we had a disciplinarian at the club not so long ago. Cuddly old Bobby Robson was one of the toughest nuts in the game. He could have the Duncan Fergusons of this world acting like naughty schoolboys in front of the headmaster - it just happened on the training pitches away from the public gaze.

Perhaps that's where Bobby went wrong. Perhaps he was too much from the old school of treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen, which starts to wear thin after a while. But Bobby could also put his arm round a player and make them feel like worldbeaters with a few well chosen words. But even that wasn't working in the end.

Anyone who thinks that Souness will come along and knock our prima donnas into some sort of shape is kidding themselves. Managers have to be smarter than that. Perhaps Souness figured that out after realising that Andrew Cole and Dwight Yorke couldn't be bullied into submission at Ewood Park and in his rational moments, he later admitted his errors.

It's down to the players to introduce some self-discipline and maturity. The clever ones will work that out for themselves in the next four months, while the rest can go in the January sales.

Bobby Robson was always able to harp back to the day when he took over a club in turmoil that was one place off the bottom. Souness may legitimately claim similar but let's hope he doesn't. It didn't wash when Bobby did it.

Whatever anyone thinks, a decision has been taken and an appointment has been made. Let's get on with it.

Souness may be the latest recipient of the poisoned chalice but he's actually got the best job in football. All he has to do is win six games, they just have to be in the same cup competition.

He managed that at Blackburn and a repeat at St. James' would have the doubters tucking into humble pie. As those Arsenal fans who sneered "Arsene Who?" will testify, humble pie can taste rather good. The larger the slice the better....
 
So much depends on the synergy between manager, chairman and the 'spine' of the players. Perhaps Souness could do it at Newcastle, who knows? At least he's got planty of medals on his sideboard (as a player) so he knows what winning's like.

A good manager will unite the club, the fans and the players so that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. If they've got the synergy they don't even need the best players - look at Greece in Euro 2004.

And if he does want to go shopping, well at least Newcastle can afford to send him out with a well-stocked wallet.

For the next couple of years they'll have their work cut out keeping up with the big three. Liverpool, Tottenham and Middlesborough are probably the yardsticks for their success or failure. Ain't Sam's Bolton doing well so far this season though? Still, early days ... marathon not sprint ... season of two halves ...

I'll get me coat.
 
Yup. It's all a bit 'Tales of the Unexpected' but basically it seems Bowyer joins a club, club experiences problems, club gets relegated. Inevitably, managers change and best players leave. First Woodgate, now Robson... Could it be happening again? Spooky.
 
One player cannot cause a club to go down. Nothing other than sheer coincidence. I dont rate him though.
 
Aaarrrrrr, we're only winding you up Paul :D .
Wouldn't want you having big, purple veins sticking out of your forehead like Mr Souness ;) .

Bowyer is sh*te though !!!!
 

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