Public smoking bans for or against?

It seems more people are for than against then. My only problem with none smoking and smoking pubs is how do you decide what is what? Won't most clubs apply for a smoking licence hence being back for square one? I think it has to be all or nothing with perhaps new smoking pubs which would be a bit more expensive opening.

I think in about 20 years time there may be a total ban but at the moment there is no way you could financialy justify a total ban and of course a lot of smokers would not like it. I think what people get up to in their own home is up to them.
 
amazingtrade said:
My only problem with none smoking and smoking pubs is how do you decide what is what?
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Hang signs outside said venue to let people know. :) Regulars or local residents will soon learn via the usual word of mouth, etc.
 
HenryT said:
Hang signs outside said venue to let people know. :) Regulars or local residents will soon learn via the usual word of mouth, etc.
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I was more meaning wouldn't most pubs especialy clubs still allow smoking like currently? So far in Manchester there is only one total none smoking pub and that is a bar a small bar in a suburb called Whalley Range.

Penance I wish more smokers were like that, my grandad used to smoke but always made sure it was away from other people, he gave up 10 years ago though.

I hate it when you're walking down a street and people smoke all over you.
 
Chaps

Smoking is a disgusting vile habit and its only redeeming virtue is that the fools who do it are enhancing the Chancellors coffers.

My attitude is that if these dipsticks want to prematurely die from cancer, sod them, let them die.

I strongly believe that it should be an offence to smoke in any public building.

I also strongly believe that it should be illegal to smoke either in your own house or car if children are present. To ruin an inocent childs health is the action of a unprincipled scumbag.

This should all be punishable by being locked up in a prison cell for 2 weeks without any smoking facililies being made available and a fine of £1000 to finance the cost. This should be the fixed penalty for any unsocial smoking.

The message must be made clear, public smoking is unacceptable in a modern society.

I also think that smokers will become more disliked as time goes by and most non smokers already tend to regard them as a bunch a chavs.

Regards

Mick
 
mick parry said:
Smoking is a disgusting vile habit and its only redeeming virtue is that the fools who do it are enhancing the Chancellors coffers.

My attitude is that if these dipsticks want to prematurely die from cancer, sod them, let them die.

I strongly believe that it should be an offence to smoke in any public building.

I also strongly believe that it should be illegal to smoke either in your own house or car if children are present. To ruin an inocent childs health is the action of a unprincipled scumbag.

This should all be punishable by being locked up in a prison cell for 2 weeks without any smoking facililies being made available and a fine of £1000 to finance the cost. This should be the fixed penalty for any unsocial smoking.

The message must be made clear, public smoking is unacceptable in a modern society.

I also think that smokers will become more disliked as time goes by and most non smokers already tend to regard them as a bunch a chavs.

Regards

Mick
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Apart from smoking another pet hate is people smoking in front of chidlren. As you say it ruining the childs health. There are also reports that suggest you're more likely to smoke if you're parents did.

I just hope a UK ban will work as well has it has done in Ireland, I can imagine some chavs/scallies will smoke anyway as they do on buses even though its ilegal.
 
Not sure where I stand on this one. I am an ex smoker, who until recently liked nothing better to light up with a drink. A few of my mates are smokers, and by and large I have to say it does not really bother me all that much. In some ways, yes it would be nice to be able to go out and not have a sore chest from inhaling smoke, but then on the other hand, it is the choice of those that do it, and I dont exactly go out thinking "i wish they didnt smoke near me", it just doesnt occur to me.

I have to say I am undecided on it.
 
amazingtrade said:
Apart from smoking another pet hate is people smoking in front of chidlren. As you say it ruining the childs health. There are also reports that suggest you're more likely to smoke if you're parents did.
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I'd argue that children should not be in a bar anyway. If they are going to ban smoking, then perhaps restaurants as children may be in there, but bars are not places for children, and I would not use that as an excuse to ban smoking in such places.
 
PBirkett said:
I'd argue that children should not be in a bar anyway. If they are going to ban smoking, then perhaps restaurants as children may be in there, but bars are not places for children, and I would not use that as an excuse to ban smoking in such places.
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I was meaning at home or in the streets, when you see babies being pushed round with their mothers smoking on top of them, that cannot be healthy for the kid long term.
 
I think fresh fag fumes smell rather good actually. But then I do have an uncommonly large olfactory organ which has a tendency to bleed at the most inopportune moments.

I retired from smoking six months ago, during which time i have maintained a remarkable level of discipline, falling foul on only one occasion to a gratuitously large cigar. (It was an exceedingly dull wedding).

I'm not sure if smoking in public places should be banned or not. I'm not really bothered.

What bothers me more is that last week i reduced my sugar intake in tea from three spoonfuls to two.

The future is not what it used to be.
 
amazingtrade said:
.... when you see babies being pushed round with their mothers smoking on top of them, that cannot be healthy for the kid long term.
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The irresponsibility of pregnant women or young mothers is not a justification for a public ban.

Would you like to ban all forms of transport using the internal combustion engine because a baby being pushed down the street is breathing polluted air?

There is a huge difference between bans applied to confined, public spaces, such as pubs/restaurants and a total public ban.
 
I am not saying it should be banned full stop, just in public. Cars have lots of processes to clean the pollution up (you can't smell most exhaust fumes now) and they don't have nigatine in them. Also cars tend to be driven outside and not in small confined places :)
 
Over here in California (forgive me if I'm becoming a bore...) there is a ban on smoking in any public buildings. For a non-smoker it's blissful - I choose not to smoke, so I don't want it rammed (blown) down my throat where ever I go. A smoker can easily go outside for a puff if they want to. When I'm in a UK bar I can't just go outside when someone light's up - the smoking is constant. Hence meaning that my choice and liberty has been totally removed. To avoid smoke I must avoid being in any public place. Whereas to avoid a ban a smoker just has to nip outside for 5 minutes. So whose liberty is impaired more?

I hate catching a lungful of smoke when walking down the street, but we do have to keep things in perspective.
 
You don't have to go in any bar. The kind of people who want the government to design their pubs are the kind of people I don't want to meet down the pub. Get your own non-smoking establishment. It's a free world and should remain so.

Paul
 
People keep talking about the health issues. So answer me this.

Bernard Hinault was probably the greatest cyclist to ever live. He was a smoker. There are famous pictures of him smoking whilst riding and after finishing various races. Smoking didn't appear to affect him too much :MILD:
 
I'm all for a ban, all though i think they should allow seperate smoking rooms in pubs and clubs with seperate and effective air conditioning systems, to prevent cross contamination, (we wouldn't want the smokers to have to put up with all that clean fresh air now would we ;) ).
I started smoking when i was about 15 and only managed to give up 15 years later after several failed attempts. In fact smoking cigarrettes is probably the only thing i have ever been really good at- i was an expert smoker ! The only way i managed to give up was after moving abroad i.e. complete lifestyle change - no old habits started , so no old habits to break ( I'm talking about routine here, stuff like popping out the kitchen door for a fag when 'she' nipped my head ). The ironic thing was cigarrettes in my new home where only £5 for 200, i could hardly afford not to smoke :) .

Lee's comments about washing more often are a little silly me thinks. I don't go out that often these days, I have two great village pubs just down the road but i will admit that the cigarrette smoke is one of the things that puts me off visiting more often, ( everybody in my village that uses them pubs smokes, apart from me ). Sids routine for going out for a drink: Shit, shower, shave, put on clean clothes , go to pub, after ten minutes in pub smell like a dirty old ashtray, a smell that lasts all night. Washing and being clean isn't the issue here.

At one very large Aircraft Maintenance facility i worked at, part of the scheduled maintenance tasks was replacing the Air conditionng System filters. The difference betwen the filter in a smoking Aircraft and a non smoking aircraft where stark and extreme. A filter element clogged up with dead skin cells from tens of thousands of people from all over the world is not very nice, mix them in with tobacco tar and the effects are truly disgusting...

It is only in the last couple of years that i have totally and completely and utterly lost the urge to spark up in the pub, i gave up 8 years ago and struggled to combat the urge for at least the first 5 or 6, nicotine is a powerfull drug indeed.
 
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LiloLee said:
People keep talking about the health issues. So answer me this.

Bernard Hinault was probably the greatest cyclist to ever live. He was a smoker. There are famous pictures of him smoking whilst riding and after finishing various races. Smoking didn't appear to affect him too much :MILD:
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Its not uncomon but its luck, its the body's resistance to it, some are more resistant than ohters, but it'll come backand bite him in the arse eventally, just a ticking time bomb.

You see this down the pub sometime the old timers smoking away at 70+ but if you ask them where there (smoking) friends are, they're reply will be "6ft under" enough said.
 
Ban it and take no prisoners. Meanwhile avoid Japan and Turkey, where it's compulsory for men. To 'Do you mind if I smoke?' reply ' Do you mind if I fart?' Carry plentiful supplies of wonder product Febreze around. Spray your clothes. Spray the pub. Soak your smoking colleagues head to foot (ditto piss-drenched vagrants who accost you in the street). If Febreze doesn't work, try Mace.
 

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