Public smoking bans for or against?
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LiloLee
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Are you sure? I went skiing with an engineer at MIRA (Motor Investigation Research Agency) and he has banned mobile in his house and when one goes off he walks away. Says the government are not allowing them to publish their findingsamazingtrade said:
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amazingtrade
Mad Madchestoh fan
LiloLee said:Are you sure? I went skiing with an engineer at MIRA (Motor Investigation Research Agency) and he has banned mobile in his house and when one goes off he walks away. Says the government are allowing them to publish their findings
It isn't really the same scale as smoking though and its a hidden risk (i.e its ouderless and invistable but maybe that makes things worse?)
What you really should be worrying about is WIFI lans that operate at Microwave frequencies! At the moment there isn't really enough of them to become a danger but in ten years time there will be.
Lt Cdr Data
om
smoking in public places ought to be like junk mail.
default to opt out rather than in.
so common sense its unblievable
default to opt out rather than in.
so common sense its unblievable
lordsummit
moderate mod
I have no objection to smokers smoking so long as I don't have to breathe in their pollution. If pubs, bars and restaurants were to be divided properly it would be no problem, but as we all know the non smoking area is usually smaller, and smoke still drifts across. The argument that stopping someone smoking impinges on your civil liberty is ridiculous. Smokers impinge upon my liberty by polluting the air I want to breathe. Don't tell me there is no statistical evidence to prove that passive smoking is harmless, you know really that that is crap. It was probably a survey commissioned by Philip Morris or some other tobacco manufacturer. Drinking is legal, drink driving is illegal and anti-social. Smoking is legal, but forcing other people to breathe in smoke is anti-social and hopefully soon to become illegal. I never realised how selfish I was as a smoker until I gave up. I still crave them sometimes when I'm drinking and I gave up 2 1/2 years ago. I never used to see the problem, now it drives me mad when someone breathes it all over me at a bar, or smokes in the no smoking parts of City's ground. No-one is depriving anyone of their rights to hasten their death, but we're just hoping you won't inflict your foul and smelly habit on us.
Rant over
I thank you :MILD:
Rant over
I thank you :MILD:
mick parry
stroppy old git
To the smoking brigade
The message is clear.......you stink like a pig and you are about as welcome in the local pub as a infestation of rabies in the guide dogs home.
Either clean up or stay oudoors.
Regards
Mick
The message is clear.......you stink like a pig and you are about as welcome in the local pub as a infestation of rabies in the guide dogs home.
Either clean up or stay oudoors.
Regards
Mick
penance
Arrogant Cock
Mick
I think you stink
I think you stink
sideshowbob
Trisha
Actually, Mick, smokers are very welcome in my local pub, lots of signs up proudly saying smoking is permitted everywhere, but thank you for your useful contribution.
I'm all for properly segregated smoking and non-smoking areas, and I don't smoke in company if anyone objects. The health arguments about passive smoking, however, are completely unproven, so let's have a bit less of the guff and a few more hard facts. I fully understand some people don't like smoke, fair enough, I probably don't like their cheap aftershave or their loud braying into mobile phones, but I don't try to ban them.
Surely it should be up to a business owner to decide the smoking policy on their premises, and presumably a smart business owner takes account of the preference of her customers and should have the right to set the policy accordingly. If any pubs or restaurants voluntarily decide to implement a no-smoking policy that's absolutely fine by me, but I don't think it should be forced on them.
-- Ian
I'm all for properly segregated smoking and non-smoking areas, and I don't smoke in company if anyone objects. The health arguments about passive smoking, however, are completely unproven, so let's have a bit less of the guff and a few more hard facts. I fully understand some people don't like smoke, fair enough, I probably don't like their cheap aftershave or their loud braying into mobile phones, but I don't try to ban them.
Surely it should be up to a business owner to decide the smoking policy on their premises, and presumably a smart business owner takes account of the preference of her customers and should have the right to set the policy accordingly. If any pubs or restaurants voluntarily decide to implement a no-smoking policy that's absolutely fine by me, but I don't think it should be forced on them.
-- Ian
mick parry
stroppy old git
Ian
Smokers are selfish sods who stink the place out and cause passive smoking to boot.
They are unprincipled, selfish chavs who need to be forced to smoke outside the building. They even look disgusting .......ugh.
The only good news is that is only a matter of time before pubs ban it. They are running scared that bar staff are going to start taking legal action for lack of duty of care.
Regards
Mick
Smokers are selfish sods who stink the place out and cause passive smoking to boot.
They are unprincipled, selfish chavs who need to be forced to smoke outside the building. They even look disgusting .......ugh.
The only good news is that is only a matter of time before pubs ban it. They are running scared that bar staff are going to start taking legal action for lack of duty of care.
Regards
Mick
penance
Arrogant Cock
Mick
you ride an old motorcycle, it has less emission control than modern engines, it will use more fuel and oil, all of those factors will affect the enviroment and people who live in it. There for you must be a "selfish sod" aswell as an "unprincipled, selfish chav"
At your ripe old age i would expect better behaviour, i guess Swindon has taken its toll on you
Most barstaff i have seen smoke anyway.
you ride an old motorcycle, it has less emission control than modern engines, it will use more fuel and oil, all of those factors will affect the enviroment and people who live in it. There for you must be a "selfish sod" aswell as an "unprincipled, selfish chav"
At your ripe old age i would expect better behaviour, i guess Swindon has taken its toll on you
Most barstaff i have seen smoke anyway.
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amazingtrade
Mad Madchestoh fan
The simple factor is though no pubs are going to ban smoking in fear of loosing custom to smoking pubs. If it was banned in all pubs then this would not be an issue.
This is quite an interesting quick artitcle
http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/040519/80/eu1aw.html
This is quite an interesting quick artitcle
http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/040519/80/eu1aw.html
mick parry
stroppy old git
Penance
My Sunbean runs on unleaded petrol and does not smell or stink anyone out. Also it is part of our heritage.
I can walk into a pub and my suit stinks of stale tobacco when I come out.
It is a question of degree. Smoking is being banned indoors in most civilised countries because it is an unsocial habit. The bans will become more widespread as time progresses.
It is even being discussed by Swindon Council who are cosidering even imposing bans in the main street.
Regards
Mick
My Sunbean runs on unleaded petrol and does not smell or stink anyone out. Also it is part of our heritage.
I can walk into a pub and my suit stinks of stale tobacco when I come out.
It is a question of degree. Smoking is being banned indoors in most civilised countries because it is an unsocial habit. The bans will become more widespread as time progresses.
It is even being discussed by Swindon Council who are cosidering even imposing bans in the main street.
Regards
Mick
penance
Arrogant Cock
It may not stink Mick, but it will chuck out more dangerous polutants than smoking.
Smoking is a much older part of our heritage.
Yes, a question of degree, doesnt take to much to imagine the ratio of exhuast fumes to tobacco smoke. The internal combustion engine is a much more pressing matter in regards to our enviroment and health.
I am happy that Swindon council are considering it, as i said, i smoke myself. But it is my choice, i am fully aware that other do not smoke, nor do they like it. I try not to get my smoke in thier way.
Smoking is a much older part of our heritage.
Yes, a question of degree, doesnt take to much to imagine the ratio of exhuast fumes to tobacco smoke. The internal combustion engine is a much more pressing matter in regards to our enviroment and health.
I am happy that Swindon council are considering it, as i said, i smoke myself. But it is my choice, i am fully aware that other do not smoke, nor do they like it. I try not to get my smoke in thier way.
mick parry
stroppy old git
Penance
The reality check is this, I will be driving my vintage bike around for years to come, in fact HMG encourage it with zero road tax etc, but smoking indoors in public places will be history.
That scenario will be repeated all over the world. The truth is that smokers are becoming modern day lepers.
Regards
Mick
The reality check is this, I will be driving my vintage bike around for years to come, in fact HMG encourage it with zero road tax etc, but smoking indoors in public places will be history.
That scenario will be repeated all over the world. The truth is that smokers are becoming modern day lepers.
Regards
Mick
amazingtrade
Mad Madchestoh fan
I think the real point is is that Mick probably won't be riding his bike in an office or in a pub. If he was I am sure quite a few people would have somthing to say about that! 
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mick parry said:
Mick,
Reading this thread, there have been a number of reasoned, well-thought arguments, put forward by both the smoker and the non-smoker.
Your retarded comments, as ever, contribute nothing to the general discussion and indicate the stunted intellect not even worthy of being called a "chav".
sideshowbob
Trisha
From http://www.roadracers.co.uk/accidents.htm
Perhaps motorbikes should be banned? Why should pedestrians have to put up with selfish bike riders killing them?
-- Ian
mick parry
stroppy old git
Stickman
Yes I am being blunt, in fact very blunt.
The problem is that smokers are addicted and find it unpleasant not to smoke.
Addiction means that your needs overcome good sense and behaviour.
The only way to stop them smoking in public is by legislation backed up by heavy punishment.
A £50 fine is pointless. You need to hit them hard and the threat of a week or two locked up in a cell without fags will make them tow the line.
Two years ago, I was flying to the states when the alarm bells rang, some guy was having a crafty fag in the toilet and set off the alarms. He knew the risks as well as the penalties but he was desperate for a fag, he just had to smoke. You cannot reason with his sort.
The law is changing all over the world and smokers are being prevented from smoking in any public places. In that sense I am on the winning side and if any smoker does not like it, then tough.
The reality is what is important, not views or discussion and the reality is that public smoking is living on borrowed time.
Regards
Mick
Yes I am being blunt, in fact very blunt.
The problem is that smokers are addicted and find it unpleasant not to smoke.
Addiction means that your needs overcome good sense and behaviour.
The only way to stop them smoking in public is by legislation backed up by heavy punishment.
A £50 fine is pointless. You need to hit them hard and the threat of a week or two locked up in a cell without fags will make them tow the line.
Two years ago, I was flying to the states when the alarm bells rang, some guy was having a crafty fag in the toilet and set off the alarms. He knew the risks as well as the penalties but he was desperate for a fag, he just had to smoke. You cannot reason with his sort.
The law is changing all over the world and smokers are being prevented from smoking in any public places. In that sense I am on the winning side and if any smoker does not like it, then tough.
The reality is what is important, not views or discussion and the reality is that public smoking is living on borrowed time.
Regards
Mick
mick parry
stroppy old git
Ian
Ian
I run a vintage bike and I pay £90.00 pa for fully comp insurance with a guaranteed value of £5000.00 if the machine is damaged or stolen.
The reason for the low premium is that classic machines are hardly ever involved in accidents. They are a very safe means of transport. So you do not have to worry about being run over by me.
My 49 year old brother runs a 1100cc (I think it is 1100cc) Honda Fireblade and there is no way I would even sit on that thing.
Regards
Mick
Regards
Mick
Ian
I run a vintage bike and I pay £90.00 pa for fully comp insurance with a guaranteed value of £5000.00 if the machine is damaged or stolen.
The reason for the low premium is that classic machines are hardly ever involved in accidents. They are a very safe means of transport. So you do not have to worry about being run over by me.
My 49 year old brother runs a 1100cc (I think it is 1100cc) Honda Fireblade and there is no way I would even sit on that thing.
Regards
Mick
Regards
Mick
sideshowbob
Trisha
Hardly ever isn't the same as never, is it? You're a potential danger to innocent passers-by and should therefore be prevented from riding your bike. In addition to that, you pollute the environment and use up valuable fuel resources. Appalling selfishness.
-- Ian
-- Ian
